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#52 Jun 04 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
ElneClare wrote:
Why is a Mosque unacceptable, when there are pron shops and a "Gentleman's Club" also within 2 blocks of Ground Zero.

So prostitution and **** is okay, but a place of Worship that is trying to promote understanding and peace being different faiths isn't?Smiley: oyvey

ps love using a smiley that is in Yiddish here.

Mostly it's because no one has ever taken a break from filming a little hard core **** DP to get on an airplane and fly it in to a building.

Also because Islam doesn't teach peaceful coexistence. They're still stuck in the mode the Catholic church was in during the Dark Ages.


The Christian terrorists blow up abortion clinics and boycott funerals of servicemen.

No more Christian churches near army bases, hospitals, or cemetaries, that's what I say.
#53 Jun 04 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
The Christian terrorists blow up abortion clinics and boycott funerals of servicemen.

How many times have they bombed something in the name of Jesus in the last 20 years? EDIT: perhaps more importantly, how many have they killed in the name of Jesus over the last 50 years?

Exercising their right to free speech doesn't count as terrorism.

Edited, Jun 4th 2010 11:01am by MoebiusLord
#54 Jun 04 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Ah, the homogeneous, monolithic entity that is Islam.

Read a Koran some time.


Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?
#55 Jun 04 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
They're still stuck in the mode the Catholic church was in during the Dark Ages.

Dark Ages, nothing. America was founded by wife beating, witch burning, child abusing fundamentalist jag-offs who got kicked out of Europe for their extremist religious views.
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#56 Jun 04 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
The Christian terrorists blow up abortion clinics and boycott funerals of servicemen.

How many times have they bombed something in the name of Jesus in the last 20 years? EDIT: perhaps more importantly, how many have they killed in the name of Jesus over the last 50 years?


They killed Dr. Tiller on May 31, 2009.

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According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[10] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[15]


His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Exercising their right to free speech doesn't count as terrorism.

Edited, Jun 4th 2010 11:01am by MoebiusLord


No, but murdering, bombing, kidnapping, and arson certainly do.

I stand by my statement. No more Christian churches near hospitals, cemetaries, or army bases. It only makes sense, really, following the logic of the people protesting the Islamic center in NY.
#57 Jun 04 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.

Belkira the Tulip wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
how many have they killed in the name of Jesus over the last 50 years?


They killed Dr. Tiller on May 31, 2009.

So 1?
#58 Jun 04 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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The title is a little misleading. The mosque is being built two blocks from Ground Zero. Reading the title alone made me raise an eyebrow because I thought they were planning on building some giant statue/building where WTC stood. Two blocks away, I'm assuming, is not actually at Ground Zero, but close.

And I laugh at people fighting over religion. 'My imaginary friend can beat your imaginary friend!' Smiley: motz

As mentioned, Islam does not support terrorism any more than Christianity. It's just that some Islamic countries/groups have been using Jihad as an excuse to wage war, much like Christians used the Crusades as an excuse to wage war back then. Only difference is that in the meantime, the western world has evolved some 1,000 years.

Silly religions. Imagine if people had just said what they meant back then instead of using symbolism constantly. Instead of 'worship this god and no other and you'll go to heaven' they'd just said 'do like we tell you and the world will be a better place'. You wouldn't have billions of people arguing over whose god was better, but instead have billions of people realizing that if they want utopia, they have to create it themselves.

Typical mankind.
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#59 Jun 04 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.


I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?
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#60 Jun 04 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.


I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?

Not if they're in uniformed military service. That's not terrorism, that's war.
#61 Jun 04 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.


I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?

Not if they're in uniformed military service. That's not terrorism, that's war.


You've gone full ******. I'm talking drool-bib, safety-helmet, clawing at your own genitals and eating handfuls of your own steaming excrement ******.
#62 Jun 04 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.


I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?

Not if they're in uniformed military service. That's not terrorism, that's war.


You've gone full ******. I'm talking drool-bib, safety-helmet, clawing at your own genitals and eating handfuls of your own steaming excrement ******.

So uniformed servicemen (as defined by the Geneva convention) acting under state mandate are now terrorists?
#63 Jun 04 2010 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?


A Jewish Bomber? Isn't that one part vodka, one part Grenadine, one part 151, and then light it on fire before shooting it? Or am I thinking of something else?
#64 Jun 04 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Not if they're in uniformed military service. That's not terrorism, that's war.


Ah, yes. The difference an uniform can make...

Even then. Would it churlish of me to talk about the bombing of the Hotel King David, where 92 civilians died, by a Jewish "terrorist" group against British occupiers in 1946? Because, ironically enough, that act accelerated the creation of Israel itself... Or do we call white terrorists "freedom fighters"? What about Isaac Rabin, the most high profile victim of Orthodox terrorism?

In more recent times, you'll find plenty of crazy settlers killing Palestinians in the name of land and religion. That's one the first page of google hits...

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#65 Jun 04 2010 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
Barkingturtle wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Have you ever read the old testament? Want to say anything to the Jews?

Absolutely. Point me in the direction of the Jewish suicide bombers and I will castigate them.


I've got Jewish bombers, is that close enough?

Not if they're in uniformed military service. That's not terrorism, that's war.


You've gone full ******. I'm talking drool-bib, safety-helmet, clawing at your own genitals and eating handfuls of your own steaming excrement ******.


You really think this is worse than that time he said every time a civilian is shot it's their own fault, or is it a cumulative thing?
#66 Jun 04 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah, yes. The difference an uniform can make...

Yeah, convenient how the world works that way.

And you can find exceptions anywhere you look. It's not that hard to do. Bottom line is that Islam, at its core, teaches hatred and intolerance. Practitioners can claim whatever they like, it's in their book, it's in their mosques and it's in their terrorists.
#67 Jun 04 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Ah, yes. The difference an uniform can make...

Yeah, convenient how the world works that way.

And you can find exceptions anywhere you look. It's not that hard to do. Bottom line is that Islam, at its core, teaches hatred and intolerance. Practitioners can claim whatever they like, it's in their book, it's in their mosques and it's in their terrorists.


To damn Islam as a whole, the book itself has to be enough, as neither all mosques or all Muslims are involved in hate speech or terrorism.
#68 Jun 04 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
Kavek,

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To damn Islam as a whole, the book itself has to be enough, as neither all mosques or all Muslims are involved in hate speech or terrorism


While not all muslims are terrorists most terrorists are muslims.

#69 Jun 04 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
To damn Islam as a whole, the book itself has to be enough, as neither all mosques or all Muslims are involved in hate speech or terrorism.

If the rules are flawed, the game can't be fair.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
While not all muslims are terrorists most terrorists are muslims.

Shut up and read the thread, ******.
#70 Jun 04 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
how many have they killed in the name of Jesus over the last 50 years?


They killed Dr. Tiller on May 31, 2009.

So 1?


"At least eight," is the lolwiki answer.

But I'm not sure how that matters, really. Terrorism is terrorism, no matter the scale, yo.
#71 Jun 04 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Bottom line is that Islam, at its core, teaches hatred and intolerance. Practitioners can claim whatever they like, it's in their book, it's in their mosques and it's in their terrorists.


It's not at the core, it's at the margins. If Islam teaches hatred and intolerance, it's been a pretty ineffective teacher for the 1.5 billion Muslims who have perfectly peaceful and tolerant lives.
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#72 Jun 04 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Kavek,

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To damn Islam as a whole, the book itself has to be enough, as neither all mosques or all Muslims are involved in hate speech or terrorism


While not all muslims are terrorists most terrorists are muslims.
That's why making a ban on terrorist HQs is totally fine but a ban on Mosques is stupid.
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#73 Jun 04 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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While not all muslims are terrorists most terrorists are muslims.


While not all Christians are Varus, all Varus are Christians.


Edited, Jun 4th 2010 6:35pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#74 Jun 04 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
bsphil,

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That's why making a ban on terrorist HQs is totally fine but a ban on Mosques is stupid.


How about denying mosques tax exempt status if they are involved in hate speech?

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knoxxsouthy wrote:
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That's why making a ban on terrorist HQs is totally fine but a ban on Mosques is stupid.


How about denying mosques tax exempt status if they are involved in hate speech?

I'm all for that, assuming we include any tax free organization.
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#76 Jun 04 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
bsphil,

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That's why making a ban on terrorist HQs is totally fine but a ban on Mosques is stupid.


How about denying mosques tax exempt status if they are involved in hate speech?

I'm all for that, assuming we include any tax free organization.


Also as long as Virus isn't the one defining "hate speech".
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