If this was some PC ploy, I could understand the pubbie rage. However, they're rebuilding what was there before & even the conservative NY papers are for it.
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trickybeck wrote:
It's only insensitive to troglodytes.
I'm sure we'd be troglodytes if we opposed building an 11 story Islamic cultural center next door to the Vatican if they'd flown planes in to that, too.
Moe wrote:
I'm sure we'd be troglodytes if we opposed building an 11 story Islamic cultural center next door to the Vatican if they'd flown planes in to that, too.
I'm betting at this point the Holy See is looking for anything right about now to take attention in a new direction. I'm all for building a mosque next to it, though. Even if "they" flew planes into it.
Because "they" are not "them". Hell, if we're getting so offended by the actions of a few that we demand to dictate the actions of the many, I've got some serious effing issues with all these churches on my street. (Except the synagogue. Their cookouts are ***************** I can seriously buy into some of those dietary laws. You ever have a kosher hot dog?)
We haven't outlawed Islam and mosques in the US yet?
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Lord Nobby wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Wonder which parties supporters are in favor of putting the mosque there?
There is even a MOSQUE in JERUSALEM. Right next to where Jesus was CRUCIMILIFIED.
Have these people no shame??
Elinda wrote:
We haven't outlawed Islam and mosques in the US yet?
Nah, we're just at the people-who-know-better allowing them to be public scapegoats stage. We'll have them all wearing nifty crescents on their upper arms later.
Oh oops, was that a Godwins? Yes I think it was. You know, I think I like Godwin's law. Because I'd rather we learned from history than repeated it.
Edited, Jun 4th 2010 7:37am by Aripyanfar
Aripyanfar wrote:
Nah, we're just at the people-who-know-better allowing them to be public scapegoats stage. We'll have them all wearing nifty crescents on their upper arms later.
Oh oops, was that a Godwins? Yes I think it was. You know, I think I like Godwin's law. Because I'd rather we learned from history than repeated it.
Oh oops, was that a Godwins? Yes I think it was. You know, I think I like Godwin's law. Because I'd rather we learned from history than repeated it.
That's what Hitler said.
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Nah, we're just at the people-who-know-better allowing them to be public scapegoats stage. We'll have them all wearing nifty crescents on their upper arms later.
Oh oops, was that a Godwins? Yes I think it was. You know, I think I like Godwin's law. Because I'd rather we learned from history than repeated it.
Oh oops, was that a Godwins? Yes I think it was. You know, I think I like Godwin's law. Because I'd rather we learned from history than repeated it.
That's what Hitler said.
What Jophiel said.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
trickybeck wrote:
It's only insensitive to troglodytes.
I'm sure we'd be troglodytes if we opposed building an 11 story Islamic cultural center next door to the Vatican if they'd flown planes in to that, too.
#36REDACTED,
Posted: Jun 04 2010 at 7:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Please. All Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists today are Muslim. That is not open for debate. Call it a bastardization of the religion if you like, but unless there is fundamental change in Islam (a modern day reformation, if you will), that will not change. The people advocating the building of this "cultural center" also advocate the implementation of Sharia law in the United States outside the U.S. justice system. Stoning women for being in public without a male relative FTW.
If they really did own that real estate previously and really are taking the opportunity to expand I have zero problem with it.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
The people advocating the building of this "cultural center" also advocate the implementation of Sharia law in the United States outside the U.S. justice system. Stoning women for being in public without a male relative FTW.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Debalic wrote:
For the record, I think that this plan is indeed a bit insensitive.
Why?
It does feel a bit like "dancing on the graves". But due to my proximity and familiarity to the city, I was directly affected by the outrage and wharrgarbl of 9/11 and the residuals are still there.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Debalic wrote:
For the record, I think that this plan is indeed a bit insensitive.
Why?
It does feel a bit like "dancing on the graves".
I just don't see that. It's a place of worship, not a terrorist training camp.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
The people advocating the building of this "cultural center" also advocate the implementation of Sharia law in the United States outside the U.S. justice system. Stoning women for being in public without a male relative FTW.
This being America and all, you're allowed to advocate for pretty much whatever you want. Freedom of speech and all that.
I'm curious exactly what you ("you" in a general sense) would like to see done here. A law stating that Muslims aren't allowed to build their houses of worship within X distance of the WTC site? A law baring all houses of worship from the area? Aren't allowed to own any structure there? What if it's not a mosque but strictly a "cultural center" or a museum or a school? If they legally own the land, how would you like them prohibited from using it for whatever legal purpose they please?
I agree with everyone who said it's insensitive and perhaps a larger liability than it's worth in terms of goodwill, potential vandalism, etc but none of those make it illegal.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
I agree with everyone who said it's insensitive and perhaps a larger liability than it's worth in terms of goodwill, potential vandalism, etc but none of those make it illegal.
Quote:
A 13-story mosque and Islamic cultural center is planned to replace the building in Lower Manhattan in New York, that once housed a Burlington Coat Factory store, that was damaged by airplane debris on Sept. 11, 2001
I think the proposed center/mosque is a statement, but I don't think it's insensitive. On the contrary, it seems more like it's a plea for acceptance and understanding. You know, kind of like it's the country's, or at least NYC's, chance to show that we're not bigoted ignorami.
From what I've read, however, NYCers don't seem terribly troubled by the planned building.
Edited, Jun 4th 2010 4:38pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Jophiel wrote:
I'm curious exactly what you ("you" in a general sense) would like to see done here. A law stating that Muslims aren't allowed to build their houses of worship within X distance of the WTC site? A law baring all houses of worship from the area? Aren't allowed to own any structure there? What if it's not a mosque but strictly a "cultural center" or a museum or a school? If they legally own the land, how would you like them prohibited from using it for whatever legal purpose they please?
I'd love to see them decide on their own that it's a dumb move and rethink the project. I don't think there should be any legislative or regulatory action taken to prevent them from it.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'd love to see them decide on their own that it's a dumb move and rethink the project. I don't think there should be any legislative or regulatory action taken to prevent them from it.
You're such an idealist [:dreamy:]
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'd love to see them decide on their own that it's a dumb move and rethink the project. I don't think there should be any legislative or regulatory action taken to prevent them from it.
You're such an idealist [:dreamy:]
I need to change mine.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Why is a Mosque unacceptable, when there are pron shops and a "Gentleman's Club" also within 2 blocks of Ground Zero.
So prostitution and **** is okay, but a place of Worship that is trying to promote understanding and peace being different faiths isn't?
ps love using a smiley that is in Yiddish here.
So prostitution and **** is okay, but a place of Worship that is trying to promote understanding and peace being different faiths isn't?
ps love using a smiley that is in Yiddish here.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair! -ElneClare
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
Elne, please. Let us not tarnish the good name of **** and prostitution in a thread about Muslims.
ElneClare wrote:
Why is a Mosque unacceptable, when there are pron shops and a "Gentleman's Club" also within 2 blocks of Ground Zero.
So prostitution and **** is okay, but a place of Worship that is trying to promote understanding and peace being different faiths isn't?
ps love using a smiley that is in Yiddish here.
So prostitution and **** is okay, but a place of Worship that is trying to promote understanding and peace being different faiths isn't?
ps love using a smiley that is in Yiddish here.
Mostly it's because no one has ever taken a break from filming a little hard core **** DP to get on an airplane and fly it in to a building.
Also because Islam doesn't teach peaceful coexistence. They're still stuck in the mode the Catholic church was in during the Dark Ages.
Ah, the homogeneous, monolithic entity that is Islam.
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Ah, the homogeneous, monolithic entity that is Islam.
Read a Koran some time.
Yeah, I know the Muslims I know tend to go all Torquemada on the weekends. 
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