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#1 Jun 01 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
So, over the weekend in my browsing of some Astronomy sites & forums, I came upon a recent rumor involving the star Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse, is a red variable star, which means it's huge (if it was in our Sun's spot, it would go out to the asteroid belt) & it's brightness changes. It's brightness changes, because it's dying. In fact, it's shrunk 15% since 1993 as of last year (about the orbit of Venus). If you look up in the sky, it's Orion's left shoulder.

Now the rumor is from someone at the Mauna Kea Observatory, is that Betelgeuse is no longer round. That means, instead of a prediction of us seeing a Type II (core collapse) supernova from 600ish years ago (as it's about 600 light years away depending on different estimates) in the next 1000+ years, it could be weeks or months away.

This, would be the coolest fucking thing any of us would ever see. Don't worry, it won't hurt us. Despite the very lethal gamma ray bursts it emits at light speed, it only does so from it's poles which aren't aimed at us. What it would mean, though, would be the brightest star in the sky for months (could be about twice as bright as the full moon) and that it can be seen during the day.

Too bad it's currently in the southern hemisphere.


Edited, Jun 1st 2010 6:28pm by Omegavegeta
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#2 Jun 01 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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So can we reuse the name once this star dies? It's a pretty cool name and all and it'd be a shame to let it go to waste.
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#3 Jun 01 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Too bad it's currently in the southern hemisphere.

Wasted on the Savages that barely have the motor movement to look at the sky!
#4 Jun 01 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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600ish years ago (as it's about 600million light years away depending on different estimates)


I assume you know this, but that isn't how light years work.
#5 Jun 01 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Take that million out; it's really only 640 or so LY away. I can only imagine Omega had a brain fart while composing the OP.

edit: brain farts abound

Edited, Jun 1st 2010 2:45pm by Debalic
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#6 Jun 01 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
Take that million out; it's really only 640 or so LY away. I can only imagine Kavekk had a brain fart while composing the OP.


Even more so since he didn't.

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#7 Jun 01 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Er, Omega. Sorry, that was *my* brain fart.

On topic: how do you all pronounce this star's name? Do you go the Hollywood route and say "beetle-juice"? I have, for the longest time, referred to it as "bay'-tel-goose".
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#8 Jun 01 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Too bad it's currently in the southern hemisphere.



At least we have the air clarity to actually see it...
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#9 Jun 01 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
The astronomy peeps I hang out with as a kid at the National Science Center always pronounced it "Bay-tell-juice." Sort of a hybrid of the two.
#10 Jun 01 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't our sun supposed to turn into one of these 'red variable stars' before it dies?
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Edited, Jun 1st 2010 4:54pm by trickybeck
#12 Jun 01 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
Edited the million.

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Isn't our sun supposed to turn into one of these 'red variable stars' before it dies?


No, the sun'll turn into a red giant. As well as being bright, Betelgeuse is also really big even for a star. Big stars don't live long even in astronomical terms (Betelgeuse is thought to be about 8 million years old, as opposed to our sun which is thought to be 4.5 billion years old)
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#13 Jun 01 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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From what I've learned, our Sun may swell out to the orbit of Earth or Mars during its death throes, but Betelgeuse has always been larger than that, and set to implode very soon.
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#14 Jun 01 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Since we've never seen a supernova in action, how do we know the star doesn't rotate as it explodes? I'd say there is still a chance we all get cooked by gama rays and get mutant superpowers!
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#15 Jun 01 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Since we've never seen a supernova in action, how do we know the star doesn't rotate as it explodes? I'd say there is still a chance we all get cooked by gama rays and get mutant superpowers!

I haven't seen any evidence that the supernova would knock a star off its rotational axis. I mean, it's not like releasing a balloon that whirls around at random as it deflates.
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#16 Jun 01 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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It could do that, you never know! I bet aliens popped it with a big long pin.
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#17 Jun 01 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
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Bad Astronomer is someone I know and happen to trust, has this to say about reports that Betelgeuse is about to go Supernova. Why I would love to be able to see a star die like this in my lifetime, I realize chances are against me ever being so lucky.

Then with my Luck, I just may find tomorrow someone wants to put a Freeway through our solar system.
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#18 Jun 02 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
What Elne said (Bob, that sounds f'ucking weird). That blog post is the first entry in news on a quick Betelgeuse Supernova Google search.
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#20 Jun 03 2010 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
Phil hadn't weighed in on the subject until after my post. Anyhoo, regardless of whether or not the rumor gets substantiated, I still find this stuff cool. Should Betelgeuse blow, it should surpass the boom the created the crab Nebula in 1054 AD that was 6,300 light years away, & was seen during the day for 23 days as well as at night for 2+ years.

And to get a grasp on Betelgeuse's size, here's a handy link.
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#21 Jun 03 2010 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's cool because it inspired me to read about stuff I usually ignore.

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#22 Jun 03 2010 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
While it happens: Orion is using a building up for a super attack.

After it happens: Orion is missing an arm.
#23 Jun 03 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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So you're saying Orion is going to rip off his own arm and beat us to death with it?

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#24 Jun 03 2010 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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So you're saying Orion is going to rip off his own arm and beat us to death with it?

No, we are just spectators. Look for something else to explode somewhere off to the right.
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