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Why the Astra Twintop is not available in USAFollow

#1 May 27 2010 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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A number of my colonial chums from across the pond have expressed approval; nay, envy for my beloved Vauxhall Astra TwinTop, and lamented that it isn't available in the land of the free.

I point out to them that the TT is actually a (deliciously) modified variant of the Pontiac GT6, but with a sexy roof jobby, and a European engine, as opposed to an american 27 ton, V34, 12Litre engine that puts out 4 brake weasel power and drinks 6 gallons of "gayas" per yard.

I educate them that we have something called a "diff-er-ential" and "shock absorbers", so you don't have to slow down to 5mph for a 20 degree bend. I also warn them that it has something called a "gear stick" that allows the driver to drive the car, instead of vice-versa.

Such foppish, dandy flibberty-jibbery as suspension, steering, cornering and road-handling are clearly beyond the grasp of our cotton-growing offshore cousins. If we were to let them loose on such space-age technology, they would almost certainly find themselves travelling sideways through the front of their local "Kentucky Fried MacWalMart R Us", or at the very least, choke on their chawin' baccy.

But, fellow Astra-nauts, these are not the over-riding reasons for keeping their obese mitts away from the noble TwinTop. It's not even that the seats are only wide enough for one standard congress-issue U.S. buttock.

As with many issues, the answer falls from the lips of a British paragon of tolerance and humility; one Mr J Clarkson.

As all of you know, a requirement of British Citizenship is (and I quote)

The Handbook of British Citizenship (Page 33, paragraph 9, section viii) wrote:
Upon witnessing a passing motorist driving a convertible vehicle with the roof down, one should form the index finger and thumb of one's right hand into a small circle. Said circle should be held at arms length and repeatedly raised and lowered to the accompanying cry of "Waaaaanker! You bloody waaaaaanker!"


The brave and fearless philosopher-poet Mr Clarkson memorably summarised the Sons of Uncle Sam thusly:

[quote]Americans. 300,000,000 ******** with no word for '***************

So there you have it. Handicapped by the vocabulary of an inebriate artard, the average septic tank lacks the ability to respond in a civilised manner to convertible drivers.

Makes you proud to be British, eh? [sniff]
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#2 May 27 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
If the damn thing is available in Italy, your argument is null and void.
#3 May 27 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
Every word in Italian means "*************
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[quote=Kavekk the Ludicrous]Every word in Italian means "*********************

And a fair number of hand signals!
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#5 May 27 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
I'd say that the reason it's not sold in the US is because the morons that can afford it wouldn't be able to figure out the instruction manual.
#6 May 27 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd say that the reason it's not sold in the US is because the morons that can afford it wouldn't be able to figure out the instruction manual.


Or that it's likely going to end out being a mechanical disaster. US car buyers tend to prefer things that are simpler and that keep working. The neato gizmos and gadgets always sound great until you have them in a car for a few years and they start breaking. Now, if my automated cupholder fails, I can work around it, but if the freaking roof itself stops working, you're kinda out of luck.

Heck. I would never own a car with a sunroof specifically because they inevitably warp and leak. I can't imagine these things in 5 years.
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#7 May 27 2010 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
US car buyers tend to prefer things that are simpler and that keep working. The neato gizmos and gadgets always sound great until you have them in a car for a few years and they start breaking.
That's a load of crap. Luxury cars are full of gizmos and people buy them . SUV's were full of them and they were a huge market until gas prices killed them. People won't buy it because they don't know **** about it. There's the big 3 and then some fuckers out of Japan. That's what "America" knows and therefore, what they buy.
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#8 May 27 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent
Also, apparently someone stuck the steering wheel on the wrong side of the damn car.
#9 May 27 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
I've never seen that happen to a sunroof, gbaji, and I know plenty of people with really **** (and old) cars.
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I've never seen that happen to a sunroof, gbaji, and I know plenty of people with really sh*t (and old) cars.
I has. It's maybe 1% of the people I know who have had them.
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#11 May 27 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Default
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
gbaji wrote:
US car buyers tend to prefer things that are simpler and that keep working. The neato gizmos and gadgets always sound great until you have them in a car for a few years and they start breaking.
That's a load of crap. Luxury cars are full of gizmos and people buy them.


Gizmos inside the car. Not gizmos which replace major components of the car itself (like the damn roof!). If my automatic cup holder breaks, it doesn't prevent me from operating the car. If the rear seat dvd entertainment system fails, I'm still able to drive the car. But if the damn roof gets stuck mid-transformation, I'm screwed, aren't I?


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People won't buy it because they don't know sh*t about it.


Yes. Let's just pretend that the only reason a product isn't sold in the US is because the consumers in the US just don't know that it's out there. No... Car companies don't spend millions of dollars on market research each year when deciding what sorts of features to incorporate in their cars, and where those features will sell the best. Nope. It's got to just be because the consumers are ignorant of a better product just on the other side of the pond...


You don't have a clue how cross pollinated car designs and manufacturers are globally, do you?


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There's the big 3 and then some fuckers out of Japan. That's what "America" knows and therefore, what they buy.


And they build variations of the same cars that are sold in the UK, and in France, and Korea, and everywhere else in the world. The same body frames and parts are used in cars all over the world. Usually, just trim changes with the brand as you move from country to country. If the roof of the Astra was deemed to be sufficiently marketable in the US, it would be sold in the US. Or do you think that the car makers just don't know what they're doing in the UK as well?
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I've never seen that happen to a sunroof, gbaji, and I know plenty of people with really sh*t (and old) cars.
I has. It's maybe 1% of the people I know who have had them.


Strange. Nearly every single person I've known who's owned a car with a sunroof eventually has problems with it leaking. Can I assume that 99% of the people you know who've owned cars with sunroofs sell them before they get more than 5 or so years old?

If you're one of those people who buys a new car every 5 years, you'll never have a problem. If you buy used, or own cars for a long time, you don't want to buy one with a sunroof.
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#13 May 27 2010 at 8:55 PM Rating: Good
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Gizmos inside the car. Not gizmos which replace major components of the car itself (like the damn roof!). If my automatic cup holder breaks, it doesn't prevent me from operating the car. If the rear seat dvd entertainment system fails, I'm still able to drive the car. But if the damn roof gets stuck mid-transformation, I'm screwed, aren't I?
I more or less agree with you, Gbaji. Ever had power window break while down before a rain storm? Ever had one break while up, and get pulled over? Hell, my ABS just started acting up, and it was a $1500 repair.
#14 May 27 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
My Saturn ION is 6 years old and the sunroof is doing just fine thanks.
#15 May 27 2010 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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Meh. It costs $45,000 according to a quick google search Source.

With the all the money I save I could afford to get gas(and a few sets of tires) for a Shelby Super Snake.
#16 May 27 2010 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
I drive a 13 year old Honda Accord. I like it because it's the plainest model, with no gadgets. $250 for an aftermarket CD/MP3 player, and it was just fine to me.
#17 May 27 2010 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
I have to admit that I've never really understood car names.
#18 May 28 2010 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji

Most of the cars I've owned have had a sunroof. None of them have ever leaked, and my current car is 3 years old without any leaks or roof failures.

So it seems your point is about US or Asian build-quality versus European?
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#19 May 28 2010 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmmm, looks terribly complex, Nobs. That, as a rule, typically makes a recipe for disaster, oh, about 4 minutes past the moment your warranty expires. And while it looks trickily sano, it also appears to bogart a tremendous amount of otherwise useable trunk space.

Why not just by a Benz and sleep well at night knowing that it likely will work properly five years down the road?

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gbaji wrote:
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I've never seen that happen to a sunroof, gbaji, and I know plenty of people with really sh*t (and old) cars.
I has. It's maybe 1% of the people I know who have had them.


Strange. Nearly every single person I've known who's owned a car with a sunroof eventually has problems with it leaking. Can I assume that 99% of the people you know who've owned cars with sunroofs sell them before they get more than 5 or so years old?

If you're one of those people who buys a new car every 5 years, you'll never have a problem. If you buy used, or own cars for a long time, you don't want to buy one with a sunroof.


I would say 60/40 split on not 5 years vs 5 years. Maybe it's all those earth quakes, because it's certainly not the severity of the weather as it's far worse here. Maybe it's that here they only get used 4-5 months, vs 12 where you are?
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#21 May 28 2010 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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It doesn't come in a pick-up model?
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#22 May 28 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Aside from the top, which I'm sure took entirely too much R&D, the car looks like a basic econo-car. Being envious of a FWD diesel, is on par with being envious of an Altima.

I'm sure you get great gas mileage.
#23 May 28 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
It's a sensible car for sensible people, apparently, with a shiny Transformers package to bump up the price.
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It's a sensible car for sensible people, apparently, with a shiny Transformers package to bump up the price.

But it doesn't transform into a twenty-foot-tall exploding killer robot!

Michael Bay would not approve.
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Aside from the top, which I'm sure took entirely too much R&D, the car looks like a basic econo-car. Being envious of a FWD diesel, is on par with being envious of an Altima.

That was kind of my reaction. I'm not a big car person so maybe it has a great personality I can't see from the outside but the outside is pretty "meh" aside from the goofy roof thing.
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#26 May 28 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not going to spend an age researching prices for a "best deal", so broadly speaking

Astra Twintop: 21,000
BMW 1 Series Convertable: £23,000

I know which one I would be buying... and it's made by Ze Jarmanz!



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