This has taught me that only extremely healthy, attentive and energetic individuals can afford to go on a time-consuming vegetarian diet without becoming nutritionally deficient in the long run.
Unhealthy, innattentive and lazy individuals eventually become nutritionally deficient. You don't say?
it is clear that the majority of animals end their lives, not of old age, but of being eaten alive. Circle of Life thing.
Animals that are farmed for human consumption are treated as a commodity. A crop. A product manufactured for the profit of the producer. Not for the welfare of the animal, and definately not with the nutritional requirements of the consumer in mind. Circle of life has nothing to do with it. Neither does nutrition or sustainable practice. I'm not sure Animal Planet is the best place to go to understand this.
I consider a humanely, properly treated ranging domestic animal in a varied and interesting environment who is killed as fast as possible before being eaten as having had a more valuable life than a wild animal who goes through the whole eaten alive to death thing.
No matter what you've been told, the overwhelmimg majority of animals produced as a food are not treated humanely. They do not live in varied or interesting (whatever that means) environments. Their slaughter is dirty, painfull, bloody and drawn out. Are you really saying that domesticated food animals have more value than non domestic animals because we eat them? do you really mean that? Or are you having a brain fart?
A couple of other things....
Doctors, on the whole, know absolutely feck all about nutrition. Neither do hospital nutritionists. Thats why the budget for a hip replacement is about $20,000, and the budget to feed an in-patient during their recovery from illness in a hospital is about $2 a day.
Animal docummentaries on the whole, are not considered a reliable source of objective information about animals. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.
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"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
"Fight or Flight" is a misleading contraction. In high danger-high stress situations, animals, including humans, go into "Fight, Freeze, or Flight" mode. Prey animals may be getting endorphins to compensate for pain, but when run into the ground, pinned and outmatched, they are frozen in terror. As a side note, I am also a "Freezer" when I'm stressed.
Feedlot farm animals have terrible lives. At least the cow cuts in Australian supermarkets come mostly from old-fashioned outback stations that are so huge the cattle live most of their lives without ever seeing a fence. They get periodically checked on, treated when necessary instead of fed anti-biotics their whole lives, then finally rounded up by helicopter and motorbikes where the bad bit starts. Then it's the usual rounding up into trucks, auction yards, slaughter yards and slaughter houses. It's not entirely ideal, which is why, when I shop for myself, I go to the little "cruelty free, Biodynamic, Organic" meat shop where I would be paying a complete fortune for my meat. Instead, at those prices, I'm buying half the meat I used to, but still enough to get my dietry requirements. Of course, I have the luck to live in an area where such a boutique shop in an old-fashioned market is available.
Yes, I'm acutely aware of the failings of many doctors. That's why I have seen nutritionists, and read medical and science journals. Well, actually it started the other way around, when I began to be more current on some modern medicine issues than my doctors from my reference checking of media interviews of scientists. I am also acutely aware of the horrendous irony of the poor food provided at most in-patient and out-patient services. I believe the current Australian figure for healthcare is $1 of prevention saves $19 of care down the track. Unfortunately nutrition is too complex for our gov to tackle yet. They are focussing on smoking, alcohol, mental health, and the road accidents.
I've never seen Animal Planet. I'm going to pull out my Bachelor's degree for once, and say that while I did not study science, my degree was very thorough in considering the integrity and trustworthiness of data, facts, and information sources.* I am able to absorb "pop information" and hold it back in a reservoir of suspended belief until I have confirmed it with better sources or more reliable reference material. Given that the whole field of science itself, like it's subset of nutritional science, is eternally being refined by new findings, and by repeatability of observations, I'm not inclined to believe facts until I've come across them in about 5 different places, all saying the same thing, not referencing each other, and with at least 2 to 3 versions from very "hard" sources.
Finally, in the vein of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast, I'm quite happy to suspend belief in anything at all to do with a subject, and absorb sh*ttons on either side of an argument, until something ties together one side as compelling. I am also happy to change/revise my mind and actions on a subject. I often play Devil's Advocate to check my own conclusions, as well as temperate other people's fixed minds. I support some ideas put forward by political parties I usually loathe. As an aside, I have also come to the philosophical conclusion that everything is True, it just depends on the specific circumstance and context in which we are now, to condensate which truth is applicable to the situation. But that's a really long and zany philosophical argument
*(Even if I didn't fact-check my knowledge on distribution of profits between banks and musicians in the case of iTunes music that one time.
Edited, May 26th 2010 6:17am by Aripyanfar
Edited, May 26th 2010 6:19am by Aripyanfar
Feedlot farm animals have terrible lives. At least the cow cuts in Australian supermarkets come mostly from old-fashioned outback stations that are so huge the cattle live most of their lives without ever seeing a fence. They get periodically checked on, treated when necessary instead of fed anti-biotics their whole lives, then finally rounded up by helicopter and motorbikes where the bad bit starts. Then it's the usual rounding up into trucks, auction yards, slaughter yards and slaughter houses. It's not entirely ideal, which is why, when I shop for myself, I go to the little "cruelty free, Biodynamic, Organic" meat shop where I would be paying a complete fortune for my meat. Instead, at those prices, I'm buying half the meat I used to, but still enough to get my dietry requirements. Of course, I have the luck to live in an area where such a boutique shop in an old-fashioned market is available.
Yes, I'm acutely aware of the failings of many doctors. That's why I have seen nutritionists, and read medical and science journals. Well, actually it started the other way around, when I began to be more current on some modern medicine issues than my doctors from my reference checking of media interviews of scientists. I am also acutely aware of the horrendous irony of the poor food provided at most in-patient and out-patient services. I believe the current Australian figure for healthcare is $1 of prevention saves $19 of care down the track. Unfortunately nutrition is too complex for our gov to tackle yet. They are focussing on smoking, alcohol, mental health, and the road accidents.
I've never seen Animal Planet. I'm going to pull out my Bachelor's degree for once, and say that while I did not study science, my degree was very thorough in considering the integrity and trustworthiness of data, facts, and information sources.* I am able to absorb "pop information" and hold it back in a reservoir of suspended belief until I have confirmed it with better sources or more reliable reference material. Given that the whole field of science itself, like it's subset of nutritional science, is eternally being refined by new findings, and by repeatability of observations, I'm not inclined to believe facts until I've come across them in about 5 different places, all saying the same thing, not referencing each other, and with at least 2 to 3 versions from very "hard" sources.
Finally, in the vein of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast, I'm quite happy to suspend belief in anything at all to do with a subject, and absorb sh*ttons on either side of an argument, until something ties together one side as compelling. I am also happy to change/revise my mind and actions on a subject. I often play Devil's Advocate to check my own conclusions, as well as temperate other people's fixed minds. I support some ideas put forward by political parties I usually loathe. As an aside, I have also come to the philosophical conclusion that everything is True, it just depends on the specific circumstance and context in which we are now, to condensate which truth is applicable to the situation. But that's a really long and zany philosophical argument
*(Even if I didn't fact-check my knowledge on distribution of profits between banks and musicians in the case of iTunes music that one time.
Edited, May 26th 2010 6:17am by Aripyanfar
Edited, May 26th 2010 6:19am by Aripyanfar
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Ahhh, sometimes I just crack myself up. RACK the bull for gettin' his shots in before they stabbed him to death.
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Ahhh, sometimes I just crack myself up. RACK the bull for gettin' his shots in before they stabbed him to death.
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