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#1 May 24 2010 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Anyone reading anything good?

I'm just finishing up American Gods by Neil Gaiman. I've not read any of his stuff before. It's not great but it's not bad.

Over the winter I completed 2/3rds of two different trilogies and have to decide if I want to complete them before I forget the story lines. They were: The Abhorsen trilogy by Garth Nix) and The Sword of Truth trilogy by Terry Goodkind. I liked the former more than the latter. Nix's simplicity is relaxing. The ideas and plots are fun. I specially liked the main character in the second book.

I was reading Roma when I had to fly to Florida for a week in March. It was a big ol' hard back book that wouldn't fit in my shoulder bag. This was a last minute realization. I panicked. My son came to the rescue, handing me a silly little book called The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents by Terry Pratchett. For some reason I'd always semi-consciously snubbed Pratchett but this was a perfect read for the circumstance. I liked it enough to read another of his 'young adult' books called Nation. This was pretty good too, but not as good as the mice.

My list of books I wanna read could use some refreshing...and believe it or not, I've gotten some good suggestions right here on THIS forum. I'm surprised someone has not yet made a netbooks site yet, with all the same features as netflix but for books. Maybe there is one??

I've sloughed off with fantasy and fiction all winter. My brain is itching for something a bit more challenging. Any suggestions?





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#2 May 24 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I loathe Goodkind. He's so fUCking preachy I want to put in for vacation, fly to wherever the fUCk he lives, arrange an introduction and slap his stupid, smarmy, self-righteous fat face.

But anyway: things I do like. I would certainly recommend the rest of Pratchett's Discworld series. You might like the ones that revolve around the witches more than the others, so maybe start with Equal Rites or Wyrd Sisters.

I absolutely loved Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle trilogy.

Again I recommend Hal Duncan's fabulous Vellum. The sequel was worth a read as well.

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#3 May 24 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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The internet has broken me for books. I bought Game Change a while back (about the '08 election), found it very interesting and easy reading, consumed 40 pages and then set it down never to pick it back up. I need to actually read through it now; it'll probably take all of a day or two if I actually just read the thing.
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#4 May 24 2010 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Anyone reading anything good?

I'm just finishing up American Gods by Neil Gaiman. I've not read any of his stuff before. It's not great but it's not bad.

I think Gaiman's best work is his Sandman graphic novel series. He wrote the story Stardust which is the basis for the movie, and also co-wrote Good Omens with Terry Pratchett, if you like him and the dry British humor, Douglas Adams-style.

I'm currently slowly plowing my way through the Dune series, one bathroom break at a time. It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't 54689012 books already and the deceased author's son still writing more sequels. Eventually I also want to try Discworld but I don't think I'll live long enough to go through another expansive sci-fi universe.
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#5 May 24 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Eventually I also want to try Discworld but I don't think I'll live long enough to go through another expansive sci-fi universe.
Maybe this was what kept me from looking seriously at any of Pratchett's stuff before. I had gotten other-world overload. For quite awhile I turned to more traditional fiction for my escape reads. But as scifi/fantasy has become more mainstream they've been sneaking their way back in.

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#6 May 24 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
The Abhorsen trilogy.
I'm actually reading the first book right now. It seems pretty good so far. I'm also re-reading the Wheel of Time series.
#7 May 24 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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I've going through a Juliet Marillier phase lately. Finished the sevenwater trilogy and went on to a bunch of others afterward. But right now I'm on Book 3 of the Enduring Flame trilogy by James Mallory and Mercedes Lackey. I didnt realize there was a preceding trilogy, the Obsidian, which means Ive got more books to look forward to.

Neil Gaimon has got some great stories. I heart Star Dust, Coraline was very good. American Gods was good but not great.
#8 May 24 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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The Sword of Truth trilogy by Terry Goodkind.


Don't do it. You won't be completely satisfied with the end of the third book, so you'll read more. And ten books later, you'll feel like you've wasted years of your life. Each book in the series has the exact same plot. Someone's stolen, someone's tortured, and someone's reunited. That's about all he can do, I think.
#9 May 24 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Jonwin and I just got through "Naomi Novik" Temeraire series.

I also read The Enchantment Emporium, by Tanya Huff this years Balticon Guest of Honor and DarkShip Thieves by Sarah A. Hoyt. Both of which I enjoyed, though I hadn't read any of their works before.


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#10 May 24 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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As to Gainman, look for his short story Orange in The Starry Rift. I hear him read it at Balticon 40 and everytime I read it I hear his voice. He wrote it while while waiting for a plane and it's well worth looking for the book as all the writers sent great stories for this YA book.
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#11 May 24 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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In general I enjoy Gaiman's short stories more than his novels.

Second the Novik series. I dropped out of it somewhere along the way, but it was enjoyable.

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#12 May 24 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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I've been reading a bit of Chuck Klosterman lately. The subject matter isn't weighty, but he's a pretty good read.
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#13 May 24 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
I've read the Alchemyst books by Micheal Scott. I think the fourth one is due out soon. Good stuff; I think they would generally appeal to assylumites.

I'm sure he's already read it, but I'd recommend The History of Pi to Kaolin.
#14 May 24 2010 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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At work I'm reading - One More Step: An Autobiography by M.S. Kholi. He's a mountaineer who climbed many Himalayan peaks for the first time, was trained by Tenzing, was mates with Ed Hillary, survived some trying times during partition and had an all round interesting life.

At home I've just finished reading The Gone Away World by Nick Harkaway(Son of John Le Carre). Its a bit unusual to say the least, but its got ninjas, pirates, post armageddon destruction and some wikked writing.

I've just started A Feast for Crows by George R R Martin. Oddly I love the series but I have an unexplained dislike for the author. (He's a fat beardy ****).

Also I am half way thru re-reading the Malazan Series by Steven Erikson because he's the best 'fantasy' writer there ever was and every time I read the series, I understand just a little bit more of whats going on.

And I'm waiting for this to arrive so I can take it on holiday with me. (Off surfing in Sumatra again :D )

And finally, I'm reading the Age of Conan forums again as I give the game yet another go....

Conkidinkly a mate of mine was the 2nd unit director on the Legend of the Seeker TV series, which was based on Terry Goodkinds books. This weekend, they were selling off loadsa stuff now that the series has been canned. I bought some lurvly stuff including a sword or two, a big fuck off banquet table, some black iron lanterns and some other bits and pices from the sets all for NZ$100!!

Very nice.
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#15 May 24 2010 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure he's already read it, but I'd recommend The History of Pi to Kaolin.


Do you mean Life of Pi??

If so, yes, its a great read.
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#16 May 24 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Conkidinkly a mate of mine was the 2nd unit director on the Legend of the Seeker TV series, which was based on Terry Goodkinds books. This weekend, they were selling off loadsa stuff now that the series has been canned. I bought some lurvly stuff including a sword or two, a big fuck off banquet table, some black iron lanterns and some other bits and pices from the sets all for NZ$100!!


Kinda too bad they canned it. I actually enjoyed the TV series far more than the books! Total departure, but a fun story all by itself. The problem with that series is that Goodkind just couldn't help doing the "one up the last bad guy" thing. So each book, the threat is worse than the last, which after a while kinda has to strain credulity that these horrific things were just waiting in the wings allowing the relatively fluffy-bunnyish bad guys before them to appear to be on the brink of world domination/destruction/whatever. Add to that contrivance the incredibly annoyingly long winded dialogs and inner monologues as the various characters continually have to introspectively consider every freaking detail of their relationships with all the other characters ad-nauseum. Yes. We all know that the guilt of being the heir to the Rahl fortune (palace and everything) is just so weighty, and all the suffering of your subjects under the previous administration must be terrible, and having to deal with your hottie wife who also has to rule her own portion of the world is just terrible, and how on earth will you deal with that cadre of **********(es?) who constantly want to "serve" you, whilst saving the world from yet another in a long line of bad guys, while wielding an improbable array of magic and a super-duper-sword-of-awesomeness is just so depressingly difficult! Woe is you Richard... Seriously. Does the guy ever stop whining?

The first couple books are good. I'd stop there though...



As to Dune. Read the first 3 books. Maybe read God Emperor, but it's not necessary. Honestly, the rest of the Dune books are kinds like reading Tolkien's Simarillian. Great if you're really really really interested in every detail of the back and side and front stories, but you pretty much got the meat of the story already.
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Conkidinkly a mate of mine was the 2nd unit director on the Legend of the Seeker TV series, which was based on Terry Goodkinds books. This weekend, they were selling off loadsa stuff now that the series has been canned. I bought some lurvly stuff including a sword or two, a big fuck off banquet table, some black iron lanterns and some other bits and pices from the sets all for NZ$100!!


Kinda too bad they canned it. I actually enjoyed the TV series far more than the books! Total departure, but a fun story all by itself. The problem with that series is that Goodkind just couldn't help doing the "one up the last bad guy" thing. So each book, the threat is worse than the last, which after a while kinda has to strain credulity that these horrific things were just waiting in the wings allowing the relatively fluffy-bunnyish bad guys before them to appear to be on the brink of world domination/destruction/whatever. Add to that contrivance the incredibly annoyingly long winded dialogs and inner monologues as the various characters continually have to introspectively consider every freaking detail of their relationships with all the other characters ad-nauseum. Yes. We all know that the guilt of being the heir to the Rahl fortune (palace and everything) is just so weighty, and all the suffering of your subjects under the previous administration must be terrible, and having to deal with your hottie wife who also has to rule her own portion of the world is just terrible, and how on earth will you deal with that cadre of **********(es?) who constantly want to "serve" you, whilst saving the world from yet another in a long line of bad guys, while wielding an improbable array of magic and a super-duper-sword-of-awesomeness is just so depressingly difficult! Woe is you Richard... Seriously. Does the guy ever stop whining?

The first couple books are good. I'd stop there though...



As to Dune. Read the first 3 books. Maybe read God Emperor, but it's not necessary. Honestly, the rest of the Dune books are kinds like reading Tolkien's Simarillian. Great if you're really really really interested in every detail of the back and side and front stories, but you pretty much got the meat of the story already.


Now we know were you get your writing style.
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I read the books years ago, and to me they are the sort of fantasy writing i really can't be ***** with. In fact i left fantasy alone altogether for years until i discovered the aforementioned Malazan series.

The Tv series...I watched a couple of them with the director fella I mentioned ( he doesn't have a TV at home believe it or not (wich is why he was aroun at my house at 5.30 on sunday morning so he could watch AC Milan winning some soccer match or other), so he bought some discs around to mine to see them...) Its on commercial TV here and I dont watch commercial TV cos of the err.... commercials, but it seemd ok. I'll watch it off a disc sometime I expect.

One thing I am watching tho is Spartacus. Its filmed just up the road here so I know a bunch of people who are working it, and I've gotta say I'm really enjoying it so far. It took a couple of episodes to get into it, but its getting into its stride and its got loadsa blood and bewbs and some willys for the gurls and gheys!

I'm hoping to be around for when the sell off their sets and props. There are some choice peices I've spotted already.....Unfortunately they are all set for at least the next series so far...
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#19 May 24 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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The problem with that series is that Goodkind just couldn't help doing the "one up the last bad guy" thing.


That's kinda par for the extended fantasy series course, though. I wouldn't even complain about that.

What irritates me is that Goodkind himself interjects his own "if only people would try harder they could do well for themselves" theme, while his hero and heroine are using fUckin' magic.

I mean, I get it. Heroes are people who strive to serve the righteous cause, whatever that means in context. I don't need to have it screamed in my face every page of a book I'm supposedly reading for enjoyment.

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One thing I am watching tho is Spartacus. Its filmed just up the road here so I know a bunch of people who are working it, and I've gotta say I'm really enjoying it so far. It took a couple of episodes to get into it, but its getting into its stride and its got loadsa blood and bewbs and some willys for the gurls and gheys!


Yeah. Took me a couple to get into it as well. It's not quite on a par with Rome, but it's got it's own flavor that "works" (over the top blood and guts stuff). And the subplots and sneaky nastiness is fun. You haven't seen the whole season yet? The final episode is like a good steak: Bloody. ;)
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I loved the first Goodkind novel. The next few were fine, but somewhat disappointing, but every so often there would be a good one.

It was perhaps a bit preachy, but I thought his conclusion was well crafted, if essentially a sermon.
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#22 May 24 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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As to Dune. Read the first 3 books. Maybe read God Emperor, but it's not necessary. Honestly, the rest of the Dune books are kinds like reading Tolkien's Simarillian. Great if you're really really really interested in every detail of the back and side and front stories, but you pretty much got the meat of the story already.

It does get tedious after God Emperor, they way Herbert tends to dance around actual events, instead going into the dialog before and after anything happens. His son (and that other co-author) manage the action a bit better, so I'm looking forward to the rest of their additions.
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#23 May 24 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Good
I'm considering running through what I've got of the 1632 series again, mostly for the sake of it being something to read.
#24 May 24 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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I mean, I get it. Heroes are people who strive to serve the righteous cause, whatever that means in context.


Killing civilians, in Goodkind's. It'd be tolerable, perhaps, if he could write anything without riddling it with cliches.

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As to Dune. Read the first 3 books. Maybe read God Emperor, but it's not necessary. Honestly, the rest of the Dune books are kinds like reading Tolkien's Simarillian. Great if you're really really really interested in every detail of the back and side and front stories, but you pretty much got the meat of the story already.


Only, you know, Tolkien could put a sentence together without drooling.

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I'm just finishing up American Gods by Neil Gaiman. I've not read any of his stuff before. It's not great but it's not bad.


It's a shame, because some of his early stuff shows real promise. His main problem is that he's just far too in love with how imaginative he thinks he's being, to the point where it's obtrusive and obnoxious; the best example of this is Neverwhere, which is borderline unreadable as a result. Good Omens is pretty good, though I imagine Pratchett's the one tot hank for that.
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Ps. If anyone hasn't read anything by China Mieville, do yourselves a favour and give him a whirl.

Perdido Street Station is the place to start imo. Followed by The Scar and then The Iron Council.

Or keep on faffing about with the likes of Terry Pratchett of course.....
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Hmm, lets see, what has been in the pile recently. Aside from the usual technical journal and airplane history/military history, lots of the usual fiction as well. Been reading the "complete hammers slammers" volumes 1 and 2, apperently I missed a few of the stories along the way so that has been good to catch up. Read the Liadan universe books up to Saltation, which was pretty good. Read Raymond E Feist's latest riftworld, wasn't all that impressed actually.

Started reading Stephen Donaldson's "the gap into..." series again. Ive never read that one all the way through, keep getting destracted around the middle. Also re-read David Weber's Honor Harrington series in preperation for the new one that comes out in june. Also the latest in the Armageddon Reef series, which was good, but a bit of a backstory builder book, not so much action. Necessary though.

Elizabeth moon came out with a new Pakseneron novel, been debating picking that up, may wait for softcover on that one. I did grab the new Robin Hobb novel, continuation of the assasins apprentice series chain, sort of. Haven't read that one yet. Got caught up on all the Glenn Cook books I was missing, that was fun. A few dozen new author books and singles i've been trying to see if any of them were possibiilities, no real major leads so far though. I've kind of tapped out my sources at the moment for new authors.
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