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#102 May 27 2010 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
Kavek,

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The rich getting richer is currently making the poor worse off


This is the crux of your argument, and belief system for that matter. You have to believe that the wealthy are actually ******** the little man to justify your own failures. It couldn't be that something these people, or you, has done that's been the cause of your current situation. It's much easier to just blame it on the rich. If you truly believe this then you don't have a problem with the govn taxing the sh*t out of the people you think are to rich; because you don't think you'll ever get to that level anyway. It's really sad that so many people feel this way. So quick to blame others and so slow to make personal changes. You liberals just don't get that something given has no value. When you stop playing the blame game and open your mind to the oppurtunities that present themselves daily you will be a much happier person and less likely to blame someone else for your situation because you'll be happy with the direction you're heading.

#103 May 27 2010 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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You liberals just don't get that something given has no value.


Thank you, I agree that large inheritances should be taxed heavily, too.
#104 May 27 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Oooh, spouting slogans like they're meaningful to a debate. My turn.

"How's 'drill, baby, drill' working out for you?"

If the Dems were good at marketing they'd try to capitalize on spill, baby, spill. But they aren't so they won't.

Edited, May 27th 2010 9:31am by Allegory
#105 May 27 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Oooh, spouting slogans like they're meaningful to a debate.

Oooh, mistaking a thread on an internet forum for a debate.

My turn... oh, wait, I'm not capable of being that stupid.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
My turn. "How's 'drill, baby, drill' working out for you?"

Oddly enough the current oil extraction related fiasco wouldn't be nearly the issue it is if we allowed drilling in shallower waters. Turns out that one would be working pretty well.
#106 May 27 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
Lube,

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Thank you, I agree that large inheritances should be taxed heavily, too.


Stealing is stealing. Who am I talking to; of course you don't care about other peoples property.
#107 May 27 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
Allegory,

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If the Dems were good at marketing they'd try to capitalize on spill, baby, spill. But they aren't so they won't.


You don't think the Dems are going to try and capitalize on this; is this what you're saying?

Has Obama even gone down there yet?



Edited, May 27th 2010 11:14am by knoxxsouthy
#108 May 27 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Lube,

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Thank you, I agree that large inheritances should be taxed heavily, too.


Stealing is stealing. Who am I talking to; of course you don't care about other peoples property.

You're just mad that Obama is better than you at basketball.


see, I can connect totally irrelevant ideas, too.
#109 May 27 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Allegory,

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If the Dems were good at marketing they'd try to capitalize on spill, baby, spill. But they aren't so they won't.


You don't think the Dems are going to try and capitalize on this; is this what you're saying?

Has Obama even gone down there yet?

I believe he's making another trip down there tomorrow.
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#110 May 27 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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You're just mad that Obama is better than you at basketball.


Smiley: lol

Good one.
#111 May 27 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Has Obama even gone down there yet?

I believe he's making another trip down there tomorrow.

After conveniently waiting until after the Coast Guard suggests the cap attempt may be working to take credit for coordinating the efforts to stop the leak (which they have been laying squarely on BP's shoulders for the last 5 weeks), the President will be making another trip to New Orleans further politicize the situation.

In other news the Secretary of the Interior blamed the Bush administration for the failings of his agency in monitoring the safety of the well.
#112 May 27 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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Should he not be going to N.O.? I mean anything a politician does in the public eye is politicized but that doesn't mean there aren't still things they need to do.
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Obama claimed his administration inherited the problems at MMS, but said "I take responsibility" for problems that persisted since he took office.
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#113 May 27 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Should he not be going to N.O.? I mean anything a politician does in the public eye is politicized but that doesn't mean there aren't still things they need to do.
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Obama claimed his administration inherited the problems at MMS, but said "I take responsibility" for problems that persisted since he took office.


I dunno, I've always thought that except for occasionally visiting the troops for morale purposes, Presidential visits to disaster areas probably create more problems than anything. People are busy trying to mitigate the effects of the disaster. Let them get on with it.

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#114 May 27 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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If you truly believe this then you don't have a problem with the govn taxing the sh*t out of the people you think are to rich; because you don't think you'll ever get to that level anyway.


That's not the reason I think it's fine to tax the rich more.
#115 May 27 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Should he not be going to N.O.? I mean anything a politician does in the public eye is politicized but that doesn't mean there aren't still things they need to do.

It would have been nice if he'd been doing something before now that didn't involve blaming someone else.
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Obama claimed his administration inherited the problems at MMS, but said "I take responsibility" for problems that persisted since he took office.

I didn't see him take responsibility for his administration awarding the damaged rig a safety commendation or for his administration failing to actually inspect the platform. Maybe I was just not paying attention.
#116 May 27 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't see him take responsibility for his administration awarding the damaged rig a safety commendation or for his administration failing to actually inspect the platform.

(A) The award was to Transocean for its overall operations, not specifically to the Deepwater Horizon rig.
(B) The award was given in early May 2009 for the 2008 rating period ("January 1st to December 31st, 2008"). If people weren't doing their job inspecting in 2008... well, let's not go there.
(C) You should stop believing conservative talking point tidbit that goes viral.

Edited, May 27th 2010 2:40pm by Jophiel
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#117 May 27 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
Is there any evidence of especial negligence on BP's part? I am aware of none.
#118 May 27 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Debalic wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Has Obama even gone down there yet?

I believe he's making another trip down there tomorrow.

After conveniently waiting until after the Coast Guard suggests the cap attempt may be working to take credit for coordinating the efforts to stop the leak (which they have been laying squarely on BP's shoulders for the last 5 weeks), the President will be making another trip to New Orleans further politicize the situation.

I was just responding to a question varus asked. Obama visited the Gulf in early May, around the second.
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#119 May 27 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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I was just responding to a question varus asked. Obama visited the Gulf in early May, around the second.

So only 10 days after the fact. He must have been on vacation?
#120 May 27 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I didn't see him take responsibility for his administration awarding the damaged rig a safety commendation or for his administration failing to actually inspect the platform.

(A) The award was to Transocean for its overall operations, not specifically to the Deepwater Horizon rig.
(B) The award was given in early May 2009 for the 2008 rating period ("January 1st to December 31st, 2008"). If people weren't doing their job inspecting in 2008... well, let's not go there.
(C) You should stop believing conservative talking point tidbit that goes viral.

Kinda like saying "WTG Catholic Church! You're doing a great job!"
#121 May 27 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ummmm.... yeah?



lolwut?
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#122 May 27 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
Debo,

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I was just responding to a question varus asked. Obama visited the Gulf in early May, around the second.


You realize this had been going on 50 days don't you?

W called La the very next day to see what could be done.

#123 May 27 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Debo,

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I was just responding to a question varus asked. Obama visited the Gulf in early May, around the second.


You realize this had been going on 50 days don't you?

W called La the very next day to see what could be done.

Bush was on vacation in Texas during Katrina, and waved as he flew overhead the devastated city on his way back to Washington. He finally managed to return to the area at the end of the week. LA wasn't very happy with the emergency responses back then.

I don't know what Obama's schedule was like immediately after the oil rig explosion. I could speculate that this wasn't considered a major disaster on the scale that it has now become, until after the first week's attempts at capping the spill didn't work.
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#124 May 27 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I didn't see him take responsibility for his administration awarding the damaged rig a safety commendation or for his administration failing to actually inspect the platform.

(A) The award was to Transocean for its overall operations, not specifically to the Deepwater Horizon rig.
(B) The award was given in early May 2009 for the 2008 rating period ("January 1st to December 31st, 2008"). If people weren't doing their job inspecting in 2008... well, let's not go there.
(C) You should stop believing conservative talking point tidbit that goes viral.


Yes. That was the 2009 SAFE award. What everyone is talking about is that they were the hands on favorites to win the award for 2010. Fortunately, MMS canceled what would otherwise have been a pretty embarrassing ceremony. Given that it was supposed to occur about a week after the disaster, it's entirely possible that they already had the awards plaques printed out and whatnot. Could just be a rumor created via ironic circumstances, but it would be interesting to see if we ever find out who would have won that award this year.


Honestly, it's kind of a silly thing to get in to. It's not like the folks sitting in offices in the White House have much to do with the day to day operations of the MMS (how many of us knew those initials before just recently?). Organizations like that tend to run the same way year after year, and administration after administration. While I'm sure some blame will get tossed around anyway, it's just politics as usual.
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#125 May 27 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
Debalic wrote:
I don't know what Obama's schedule was like immediately after the oil rig explosion. I could speculate that this wasn't considered a major disaster on the scale that it has now become, until after the first week's attempts at capping the spill didn't work.

According to the President...
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And we understood from day one the potential enormity of this crisis, and acted accordingly.

#126 May 27 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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That was the 2009 SAFE award. What everyone is talking about is that they were the hands on favorites to win the award for 2010.

No, what everyone is talking about "LULZ THEY WON SAFE AWARD HAHAHAHA!!!!"

Granted, I'm only one man but I haven't been hearing about it in the future tense, but a lot of noise about it in the past tense. Especially since it happened in 2009 so it must have been Obama who did it!
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