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#102 May 20 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
No, that was how we got them to sign the treaties that made them move under supervision, free from war.

Heh, you forgot that we already had border treaties with them prior. We violated those treaties by demanding that they move out over yonder. Or used false contracts we knew weren't being signed by the appropriate parties, etc.
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#103 May 20 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
No, that was how we got them to sign the treaties that made them move under supervision, free from war.

Heh, you forgot that we already had border treaties with them prior. We violated those treaties by demanding that they move out over yonder. Or used false contracts we knew weren't being signed by the appropriate parties, etc.


How many years until we stop lumping ourselves in with the decisions made by previous generations?

Edited, May 20th 2010 1:48pm by Bardalicious
#104 May 20 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I could type out "The United States federal government between 1780-1880" or something but I'm pretty sure both Moe and I know what "we" refers to without implying that it's all Moe's fault.
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#105 May 20 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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5 year old children would pick light over dark images because lighter tones bring positive images to mind. 5 year old children don't over think things like adults do they associate the colour with a feeling and choose the closest word match.

I wouldn't have expected any other result from this study in a perfect world where racism didn't exist. You're asking young children to rate images, all other things being equal, by brightness (as in colour tone). Lighter tones = positive thinking = good, you'd get the same result if you asked them to rate various painted rooms.

This is why the black children are also more likely to rate the lighter toned images as good.

Not to say that if your environment involves racism you won't pick up on it at that age but the study is very flawed.
#106 May 20 2010 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
Bardalicious wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
No, that was how we got them to sign the treaties that made them move under supervision, free from war.

Heh, you forgot that we already had border treaties with them prior. We violated those treaties by demanding that they move out over yonder. Or used false contracts we knew weren't being signed by the appropriate parties, etc.


How many years until we stop lumping ourselves in with the decisions made by previous generations?

Edited, May 20th 2010 1:48pm by Bardalicious

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#107 May 20 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Yodabunny wrote:
5 year old children would pick light over dark images because lighter tones bring positive images to mind. 5 year old children don't over think things like adults do they associate the colour with a feeling and choose the closest word match.

I wouldn't have expected any other result from this study in a perfect world where racism didn't exist. You're asking young children to rate images, all other things being equal, by brightness (as in colour tone). Lighter tones = positive thinking = good, you'd get the same result if you asked them to rate various painted rooms.

This is why the black children are also more likely to rate the lighter toned images as good.

Not to say that if your environment involves racism you won't pick up on it at that age but the study is very flawed.
Yeaaa, unless you have research backing up your "lighter tones = positive thinking = good" I can't really say that your baseless suppositions really mean anything
#108 May 20 2010 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
It'll be right around the time you figure out the correct hole for a ****.

Glory?
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#109 May 20 2010 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
It'll be right around the time you figure out the correct hole for a ****.

Glory?

I was thinking sausage grinder, but whatever.
#110 May 20 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, you have to select your more reputable glory holes to minimize the sausage grinder risk.
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#111 May 20 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
It's like a twisted game of Russian roulette.
#112 May 20 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Sweetums wrote:
Yeaaa, unless you have research backing up your "lighter tones = positive thinking = good" I can't really say that your baseless suppositions really mean anything


I do actually. I'll have to dig it up though as it's buried in a box at home somewhere. I'll see if I can locate it later. Here's an interesting study however: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2555431/

It leans more toward response in the brain when seeing black faces vs identical white faces.

It's not to prove my point, but an interesting read that brings up some interesting racism issues, basically says black people are boned in the end because their skin colour triggers the arousal part of our brain (arousal as in need to be aware because something potentially dangerous is around) which causes a slight subconscious bias before environmental factors even come into the equation.
#113 May 20 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Kenyans must walk around in a state of permanent terror. Probably why they run so fast, I expect.
#114 May 20 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I could type out "The United States federal government between 1780-1880" or something but I'm pretty sure both Moe and I know what "we" refers to without implying that it's all Moe's fault.

I'm going to blame the ethnically ambiguous social studies teacher I had in high school that kept blaming the white man and her students for what happened in the past.
#115 May 21 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Kenyans must walk around in a state of permanent terror. Probably why they run so fast, I expect.


Haha

It's not really a fear response so much as a be slightly more wary of darker creatures thing, makes sense in nature, but irrational when it's other people that you're seeing. The people involved aren't suddenly frightened when a black dude walks into the room, but according to their brain scans they're slightly more attentive which could translate down to all kinds of unintended bigotry.

It's only one study of course and I have no idea how good it is.

Didn't have time to look up that stuff yesterday, but the colour info is well documented. We associate colours with feelings. Red = Danger/alarm, Black = Unknown/suspicious, White = Sterile/clean/pure, Orange = Energetic/makes you want to eat etc. So all things being equal we'll revert back to our more basic triggers to make judgments about things. Now, obviously people aren't just colours, so this isn't really an issue, unless of course you ask a 5 year old to choose good vs bad on identical pictures with different colours in a racism test.
#116 May 21 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
Yodabunny wrote:

I do actually. I'll have to dig it up though as it's buried in a box at home somewhere. I'll see if I can locate it later. Here's an interesting study however: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2555431/

It leans more toward response in the brain when seeing black faces vs identical white faces.


I don't think that is what it says:

"amygdala activity was observed at equivalent levels for light- and dark-skinned Black targets"

#117 May 21 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Of course not, if you're only going to read one line from the study.

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Replicating past research, greater amygdala activity was observed for Black faces than White faces. Furthermore, dark-skinned targets elicited more amygdala activity than light-skinned targets. However, these results were qualified by a significant interaction between race and skin tone, such that amygdala activity was observed at equivalent levels for light- and dark-skinned Black targets, but dark-skinned White targets elicited greater amygdala activity than light-skinned White targets.


Thus all black people were received the same, but skin tone was significant when looking at pictures of white people.
#118 May 24 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
When I was 5, my dad married my step mom who had a daughter who was half African-American. Brooke became my legal sister when she turned 16 and went down to the court house and changed her last name to ours. Her skin color has never been something I really noticed. My memories of meeting her don't seem to factor that in anywhere, nor did it seem to make a difference at school either since where we lived was decidedly light on minorities, and Brooke was usually the only non-white kid in class.

I do remember it was an interesting feeling the first time I went to a party my mom was throwing with her husband at the time, who was African-American as well. Probably the first time I was ever in a room where I was the minority. I remember feeling a bit out of place for a few minutes, but that passed quickly.
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