AZ has another bill.Follow

Of course they did. Did you stop learning while you were in the 3rd grade or something?

At least it's not AoE2 rules we're going by. We don't need to go against people who can run as fast as a horse.

What kind of logic is this? There's no better way than shooting them in the head to keep thieves from stealing again but we don't do that. Just because something is the easiest solution or even the most effective doesn't mean it's the overall "best" or right way to do it.


Well, yeah. The whole "how they go about it" is kind of the crux of the issue.


I won't argue the constitutionality because it'll come up before the Supreme Court soon enough anyway. But a legal citizen who is "suspected" of being an illegal, regardless of what they're doing at the time, and fails to produce documentation proving their legal status can still be detained until they can produce papers proving that they're a citizen (or legal alien). You don't see an issue with that? Or did you think anyone asked can just say "Yeah, I forgot my documents in my other pants" and the cops would just let them go at their word?


I'm sure many are upset that Congress has failed to pass a decent immigration reform bill in the last few decades. Hell, I supported Bush's bill -- sadly, much of the GOP did not. Trying to direct their anger towards illegal immigrants isn't as easy. The vast majority of illegal immigrants aren't gang members or gun runners or drug lords or America haters, they're people who want to scratch out a living for themselves and their families. People who would be just as happy to be here legally (well, probably much happier) if not for a ridiculous and antiquated quota system. People often related to or from the same neighborhoods as legal Hispanic immigrants. And you have a political movement based around demonizing these people and making them out to be scum and filth and passing laws saying you can be detained until you can produce papers because that's the "best way" to catch this terrible guy down the street who fixes tractors in Arizona in order to feed his family and send some money back home.

If the police question me about a theft, the onus is on them to prove reason for thinking I did it and provide evidence towards that fact if they wish to pursue it. The onus isn't on me to always carry my "I didn't steal it" documents to show the police any time they want to detain me for potentially stealing things.

Edited, May 13th 2010 11:19am by Jophiel

The point is that it isn't a reasonable suspicion.

Well, the upside is AZ's bill kind of forces Obama's hand. Now Congress has to do something, or wait for New Mexico or Texas to follow suit.

I don't see CA doing much though, as they depend on latino votes to get elected & illegals for their state to function as a whole.

If we wait for Texas to follow suit Rick Perry will just say it's hunting season.

Again, the people organizing the class say they think they are in compliance. But I can easily see how one would say they are not. How any class teaching about any culture other than WASP wouldn't be in compliance, because simply learning about the culture you come from and reading their authors is enough to produce solidarity, which this bill is against. For whatever reason.

They'll be fine when they legalize & tax pot in November.

/boggle
49 Democrats and 29 "Republicans.

It also puts the police in a difficult position, because if they don't act on these thin-line suspicions, some asshole can sue them for it.

Edited, May 13th 2010 1:39pm by Belkira

Everything I've read only says that the government official in question has to have "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal alien.

Probably. But since I didn't advocate that, I'm not seeing your point.


I'll happily admit that I was unaware of Arizona HB 2162 which watered down SB 1070 in terms of clarifying when a stop can be made and what penalties may be enacted. Thank you for the heads up.