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#52 May 12 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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C'mon. You're not even trying any more.

easy outs are easy. S'ok, you can quit.

As opposed to arguing that all Mexicans hate America?

Garbage in garbage out, kiddo.

No less stupid than stating we can't prove the VP is an immigrant and choosing to make that your focal retort.
#53 May 12 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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n 1821 they officially became Mexicans, but before that the area was being colonized for almost 50 years by the "pre-Mexico" Mexicans. The Potatoe famine didn't start until the mid 1840s.


They weren't Mexican living in the U.S. until Texas became part of the U.S. in 1845. You could call it a few years earlier when it broke away from Mexico with an aim toward becoming a state, but that wasn't 1821.

Anyway the 1845 date is what I was referring to.


I was referring to how long they'd been in the area, not how long they'd been technically occupying U.S. territory.
#54 May 12 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why would anything else be relevant? We're talking about the impact on immigrant cultures in the U.S.

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#55 May 12 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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No less stupid than stating we can't prove the VP is an immigrant and choosing to make that your focal retort.

I'm sorry, I thought you said "Too often people emigrating recently [...] would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us"

Wait, that IS what you said. Huh.

Of course, even if the VP had just snuck across the border, stole some American's vice-principaling job with his counterfeit green card and set about ruining Cinco de Mayo for some poor white kids in a show of supreme culture hatin', the plural of anecdote still won't be data.
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#56 May 12 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Why would anything else be relevant? We're talking about the impact on immigrant cultures in the U.S.


It was a tongue in cheek reference, but you went and got all nerdy on it.
#57 May 12 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dude, nerdin' is what I do. I ride nerd.

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#58 May 12 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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This law is bull and people only support it because they're scared. I have to say I personally enjoy intimidating people with my superior intellect and multiculturalism, but I understand where it would culturally emasculate an ethnic cripple.

Boo!

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#59 May 12 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?

Yeah, me either.

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#60 May 12 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Default
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This law is bull and people only support it because they're scared.


That's a broad assumption, I think.

How is this really different than any other cultural studies issue? Heck. How is this different than any religious studies issue? If the parents of a child want that child to receive additional instruction in areas not covered by core curriculum, they're not prohibited from doing that. My question is whether there is much value to creating additional standard curriculum apparently designed entirely to appease various groups-rights activists instead of actually preparing kids for future life.

I don't think, given the cost overruns in most public school systems, that it's unreasonable to say "enough is enough" and just cut that stuff. Doubly so if there's a perception that racial intolerance is being taught under the guise of "cultural diversity".
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#61 May 12 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.


Where is this culture being forced on anyone...?


I blame Taco Bell.
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How is this different than any religious studies issue?

The First Amendment for one.

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I don't think, given the cost overruns in most public school systems, that it's unreasonable to say "enough is enough" and just cut that stuff.

Yeah, I'd like to pretend that this was done out of fiscal considerations but if I was that pollyanna and naive, I'd be dead already from trying to pick wildflowers out of cracks in the highway.
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#63 May 12 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.
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#64 May 12 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.

their point being?
#65 May 12 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.

their point being?


That political correctness has gone so far past the point of absurdity that anyone would consider someone displaying the US flag as "provocative".
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#66 May 12 2010 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
Samira wrote:
Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.

their point being?


That political correctness has gone so far past the point of absurdity that anyone would consider someone displaying the US flag as "provocative".


That was their point? I thought it was something more along the lines of "This is AMERICA, you're not welcome!"
#67 May 12 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Samira wrote:
Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.

their point being?


That political correctness has gone so far past the point of absurdity that anyone would consider someone displaying the US flag as "provocative".

If they were giving it that much thought then the public school systems must not be all that bad Smiley: thumbsup

A more likely scenario is that they were trying to "get a rise out of the local beaners"
#68 May 12 2010 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bardalicious wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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Also, and just a side note to the whole discussion: does anyone doubt that the kids who were sent home wore those particular shirts on that particular day in order to be deliberately provocative?


What part of the concept of free speech don't you get?


I think they made their point rather well in fact.

their point being?


Well, in fairness, that doesn't matter. I was just making the point that they're jerks, not that their snark isn't supposed to be protected.

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#69 May 12 2010 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
Meh.

As to the bill mentioned in the OP, I don't really have a problem with it. Sure, it's creator pushed it through for no other reason than to get back at a Latino activist that made an ignorant comment, but since the programs in question all ready comply with the new law, I see no issue.

Now, you combine this with the the new "Show your papers" law & we certainly see a pattern emerging in AZ targeting Latinos. However, if the federal government had passed immigration reform (Obama, Dubya, or Clinton) AZ wouldn't have had to pass this law. And more over, if Americans didn't hire illegal workers, it also wouldn't have needed to be passed.

Honestly, with all the cries about "racial profiling" (Which I agree with to an extent. However, let's face it, many of the illegals in AZ are Latino), only the illegal immigrants have anything to worry about. Ya, the non illegals might get "carded", I can understand why they wouldn't want to be, & I can even understand their anger at some of the racist reasons for the law. But again, if they aren't illegal, they'll be ok.
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#70 May 12 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah, the ole "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" line. A tried & true classic.
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#71 May 12 2010 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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Now, you combine this with the the new "Show your papers" law & we certainly see a pattern emerging in AZ targeting Latinos. However, if the federal government had passed immigration reform (Obama, Dubya, or Clinton) AZ wouldn't have had to pass this law. And more over, if Americans didn't hire illegal workers, it also wouldn't have needed to be passed.


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#72 May 13 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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since the programs in question all ready comply with the new law, I see no issue.


You don't have a problem with redundant laws being passed to assuage voters? Get that Carlin quote out of your sig.

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#73 May 13 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I think it's time for the American territory outside the thirteen colonies to be given back to its rightful owners.


Ironic considering the "native americans" didn't have a concept of property until the white man showed up.



Next thing you know public administrators will be excluding white kids from field trips to hear rocket scientists speak.
#74 May 13 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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You don't have a problem with redundant laws being passed to assuage voters?


More like we have a problem with laws being ignored by politicians just because they don't want to upset the people who are breaking the law.

#75 May 13 2010 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
Sad thing is if these white kids had burned the american flag they would have been protected by the liberals.

#76 May 13 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Sure, it's creator pushed it through for no other reason than to get back at a Latino activist that made an ignorant comment, but since the programs in question all ready comply with the new law, I see no issue.


The class thinks that they already comply. But really, the fact that the bill says that the class cannot create a feeling of solidarity shows that if Horne wants these classes canceled, they can be done quite easily. Because, let's be honest. Learning about your culture and reading authors from your old country easily create feelings of solidarity.
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