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#27 May 12 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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That was particularly weak, for you. I would've expected something like that from Varus, though.

I guess so, being able to point at something so recent. Weak sauce indeed. I should know a latino in a position of authority in a U.S. school suggesting the American flag is incendiary is meaningless.


It is particularly weak, considering that it was an isolated incident in one school. Being asked not to wear a shirt or to turn it inside out is not "forcing culture" on anyone.

It was a **** move on the administrators part, sure, but he didn't tell the kids they'd better come back sporting a Mexican flag and learn to speak Spanish and have tacos for dinner.
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Mmmm tacos...I know what we're having for dinner.
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#29 May 12 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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Mmmm tacos...I know what we're having for dinner.


Pink tacos?
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#30 May 12 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Sadly no, the wife is volunteering at a clinic tonight in preparation for her clinicial lab sciences program she's starting in a few weeks.
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#31 May 12 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Do you feel that it was not incendiary? Or that these kids were not trying to get a rise out of people and/or start trouble with Mexican students?

Absolutely not. If you are incensed by a person in your adopted country wearing an emblem of that country, you should probably reconsider your adoption of said country as your home.

Belkira the Tulip wrote:
It is particularly weak, considering that it was an isolated incident in one school. Being asked not to wear a shirt or to turn it inside out is not "forcing culture" on anyone.

It was a sh*t move on the administrators part, sure, but he didn't tell the kids they'd better come back sporting a Mexican flag and learn to speak Spanish and have tacos for dinner.

You can't be so obtuse as to believe forced adoption of something is the only way it can be forced on you, can you? And it was particularly not weak because it is an isolated incident in the midst of a whole host of others. Your own original link list others.
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#32 May 12 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Doh!

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Sadly no, the wife is on the rag and I'm just not a Red Wings kind of guy.

'Bout right.
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#34 May 12 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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The best part is, if they'd really wanted to be incendiary on that particular holiday they would have worn a French flag.
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Did Miguel Rodriguez...

It's worth noting here that, name aside, we have no idea if Mr. Rodriguez just snuck over the border three weeks ago or if his family dates back to the annexation of California
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...tell them to turn their shirts in or go home because an American flag was incendiary on a Mexican "holiday" in a U.S. school?

Yes. Which proves absolutely nothing about any greater threat to American culture by immigrants. Also, why the quotes around "holiday"? Do you put quotes around it for St. Patrick's Day? St. Valentine's Day? Any other holidays with a foreign origin? Cinco de Mayo is considerably more celebrated in the US than it is in Mexico; it's not really a Mexican holiday.
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#36 May 12 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Did Miguel Rodriguez...

It's worth noting here that, name aside, we have no idea if Mr. Rodriguez just snuck over the border three weeks ago or if his family dates back to the annexation of California

Nor would I suggest it does. It does suggest that he is a latino, however.
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...tell them to turn their shirts in or go home because an American flag was incendiary on a Mexican "holiday" in a U.S. school?

Yes. Which proves absolutely nothing about any greater threat to American culture by immigrants.

Ah, but it does prove that a latino with the authority to do so, appropriately or not, imposed his preference for his culture on students displaying their country's flag on a Mexican "holiday".
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Also, why the quotes around "holiday"? Do you put quotes around it for St. Patrick's Day? St. Valentine's Day? Any other holidays with a foreign origin?

Mostly because of the rhetoric of the Mexicans in this country celebrating it. And I don't put the same quotes around St. Patrick's day, as I've never been seen it suggested that wearing an American flag on that day is insensitive or incendiary to Irish immigrants. Valentine's day isn't a celebration of anyone's country or culture, it's a greeting card "holiday", so yeah, quotes.
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Cinco de Mayo is considerably more celebrated in the US than it is in Mexico; it's not really a Mexican holiday.

Then it shouldn't be a problem to wear an American flag on a "not really" Mexican holiday, and yet the latino Vice Principle felt it'd be better if they didn't. Huh.

Edit: F'ucking possession.

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I don't consider people who use "could care less" when they mean "couldn't care less" to be human.
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#38 May 12 2010 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't consider people who use "could care less" when they mean "couldn't care less" to be human.


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#39 May 12 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Nor would I suggest it does. It does suggest that he is a latino, however.

And yet fails to make the point that those immigrants are coming here and impressing their culture on us after they were in such a rush to leave it.

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Mostly because of the rhetoric of the Mexicans in this country celebrating it. And I don't put the same quotes around St. Patrick's day, as I've never been seen it suggested that wearing an American flag on that day is insensitive or incendiary to Irish immigrants.

Well, it's not 1880 any longer either. Maybe in another hundred years you won't be so terrified of Cinco de Mayo. We can only hope.

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Valentine's day isn't a celebration of anyone's country or culture

It's a Catholic holiday which turned, over time, into a generic holiday. Just like St. Patrick's Day. Just like Cinco de Mayo is already turning into a reason for gringos to drink Coronas at Chi-Chi's.

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Then it shouldn't be a problem to wear an American flag on a "not really" Mexican holiday, and yet the latino Vice Principle felt it'd be better if they didn't. Huh.

You're surprised that he could predict ignorance and xenophobia from a bunch of students? You're easily surprised, I'll give you that much.

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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I don't consider people who use "could care less" when they mean "couldn't care less" to be human.

I know, huh? Why Does Locke hate idioms?
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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I don't consider people who use "could care less" when they mean "couldn't care less" to be human.

I know, huh? Why Does Locke hate idioms?


I never claimed to be human.
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I'm pretty good at jumping fences though, so I think classifying myself as an alien is accurate enough.
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#43 May 12 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
And yet fails to make the point that those immigrants are coming here and impressing their culture on us after they were in such a rush to leave it.

You're right. Let's expand it to "why do all Mexicans hate America?"
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Well, it's not 1880 any longer either. Maybe in another hundred years you won't be so terrified of Cinco de Mayo. We can only hope.

Why? The Mexicans have been here longer than the Irish.
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It's a Catholic holiday which turned, over time, into a generic holiday. Just like St. Patrick's Day. Just like Cinco de Mayo is already turning into a reason for gringos to drink Coronas at Chi-Chi's.

I know the genesis, but in America we don't give out cards & candy because (according to the Catholic Church) "Though the memorial of Saint Valentine is ancient, it is left to particular calendars, since, apart from his name, nothing is known of Saint Valentine except that he was buried on the Via Flaminia on February 14." We do it because the greeting card companies tell us to.
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You're surprised that he could predict ignorance and xenophobia from a bunch of students? You're easily surprised, I'll give you that much.

Am I surprised that a latino with a moment of power would resort to abusing it? No, I've read too much Mexican history to believe there are many of them who can lead with the broader populace in mind.
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#44 May 12 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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C'mon. You're not even trying any more.
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Why? The Mexicans have been here longer than the Irish.


About the same. At the time of the Irish potato famine, when so many of them emigrated, we were in the process of engulfing the territories where Mexicans lived.

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Why? The Mexicans have been here longer than the Irish.


About the same. At the time of the Irish potato famine, when so many of them emigrated, we were in the process of engulfing the territories where Mexicans lived.


In 1821 they officially became Mexicans, but before that the area was being colonized for almost 50 years by the "pre-Mexico" Mexicans. The Potatoe famine didn't start until the mid 1840s.
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C'mon. You're not even trying any more.

easy outs are easy. S'ok, you can quit.
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#48 May 12 2010 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Moe is concerned with immigrating Aztecs. If I learned anything from Civ2, it's that they are a warlike race, prone to breaking treaties.

Also, their words are backed with nuclear weapons.
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#49 May 12 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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C'mon. You're not even trying any more.

easy outs are easy. S'ok, you can quit.

As opposed to arguing that all Mexicans hate America?

Garbage in garbage out, kiddo.
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Personally, I think it's time for the American territory outside the thirteen colonies to be given back to its rightful owners. US Imperialism has gone unchecked for too long.
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#51 May 12 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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n 1821 they officially became Mexicans, but before that the area was being colonized for almost 50 years by the "pre-Mexico" Mexicans. The Potatoe famine didn't start until the mid 1840s.


They weren't Mexican living in the U.S. until Texas became part of the U.S. in 1845. You could call it a few years earlier when it broke away from Mexico with an aim toward becoming a state, but that wasn't 1821.

Anyway the 1845 date is what I was referring to.

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