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Lubes,



When is the last time i've bragged about premarital sex on here? What 2 3 years ago?

lubes,



What a surprise you took what I said completely out of context to suit yourself. I don't know if you're a sienfeld fan but it was a seinfeld joke; the bet. And if you want to take it literal I didn't actually say I won any of the contests.

Lube,



My sex life is none of your business. How's that work for ya?

Lube,



What? Oh I get it. You're bashing my religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. Ok this is where I challenge to prove I said this. I've never advocated any kind of legislation denying homosexuals the right to have sex.

If we were having this debate 20 years ago, I guarantee you would be.

I believe that most Americans don't care what other Americans do. If asked, they might say it's a sin; but most of us are pretty tolerant of the sins of others, the bargain being that others will also be tolerant of their own.

I appear to have a much higher opinion of our fellow countrymen than you.

Channeling glen beck I see.

Jophed,

So the homosexuals learned their gestapo techinques from the *****. By george you're right.

Does levine also have **** tourettes?

We didn't vote against gay marriage because it's a sin though. We voted against it because we already have the most progressive domestic partnership laws in the damn country and that still wasn't good enough to satisfy the nutty far-left folks pushing the gay marriage agenda. It's not about sin. It's about recognizing a movement which has no end point and saying "enough!".


After the third or fourth time someone tells you "I just want this" and you give it to them, and then they turn right around and say "Ok. Now I just want this", you stop giving them what they want. Some of the liberal movements really do have to be treated as though they are small children who wont ever stop demanding "more more more!" if you keep saying "yes". There's a point at which it becomes ridiculous and in California it's been at that point for some time.

Gay people do. Those leading the gay rights movement want an issue which they can use to polarize people and keep gay people supporting the candidates and party they are in bed with politically. That is their entire motivation. Do you honestly believe that if we simply remove the legal language defining marriage as between a man and a woman that there wont be a next step? Let me predict it for you: They'll next argue that it's illegal for a church to refuse to perform a gay marriage. After all, it's a legal marriage, and the priest has to be licensed to officiate, right? Heck. This argument has already been made. The groundwork is already laid for that next step.

They'll milk that one for a decade or two. And when it's done, what then? They'll move on to the next issue they can polarize people over. You get that it doesn't end until there's nothing left in society that anyone cares about, right? It's not just about gay marriage. It's about a process of politics which gains power by pitting any difference between two groups of people, whether physical or ideological or spiritual or whatever, against each other. And no amount of common sense, logic, or reason matters. It's purely emotional. Find anything that's "different", convince one group of people that this difference hurts them in some way, and then "profit" politically.


That these differences and how they affect people are often contrived completely out of proportion is beside the point. It doesn't stop until the government has legislated every single action you can take in your life on the off chance that you might do something which might put some other person or group at some disadvantage. It's nutty, and it's leveraged on the use of government being put in the position of deciding who gets what in the first place. That's why us conservatives argue for smaller government. The fewer things government has a hand in, the fewer things it can legislate on the grounds that the existing results aren't fair enough.


You actually think it's really about gay marriage? Lol...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're dead wrong about the reasons most people voted against it. I'm sure there were some, but not that many.

Xarus,



I agree. Most people still do believe homosexuality to be an immoral and sinful lifestyle that they don't want their govn advocating.