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And you always lost, right? Purely out of Christian idealism, no doubt.

The Bible's teaching concerning sexual immorality is rather plain. Ephesians 5:5 says, "For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

so Says Paul, who has Saul tried to stop Christianity, until he seems to have figure out how to use it as a way to control believers, just like he did before his conversion.

Sorry, but we can play this game all day.

Elne,

So an atheist that doesn't believe in divine intervention; you don't say.



Edited, May 24th 2010 5:56pm by knoxxsouthy

Get it right, I'm Pagan, not an atheist.

Also I've called to Allah, father of Jesus in doing a Ritual more then once. I just don't think He is the Only One True God.

Then why did you grill Belkira on what she was taught?

If you want to argue about vague claims of "There's classes out there with curriculums of.... social indoctrination!!!" then have fun, I guess. Without specifics, it's not bound to be very fruitful.

Not to mention, all that indoctrination wasn't very effective in any of our cases. Admittedly it probably is for those who accept what they're told at face value.

Baseline comparison? I was curious which things she was or wasn't taught. I also don't happen to remember the ages of every single poster on this forum, so it was a reasonable starting point.



And yet, you and several other posters have made a 6 page thread largely arguing *against* a law, when all that law does is make it illegal for classes to include said social indoctrination (and then, only a subset at that). Strange how strongly you argue against something which prevents something you say you oppose, for the somewhat dubious reason that you believe it's not happening anyway. Kinda doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?

Except Jefferson.

Did this "thinking" happen right around the time you went off to college? Or hung out with those your age who were?

It's pretty common for people in their late teens and early 20s to adopt some pretty selfish ideas about how the world works. They're susceptible to the "now I'll tell you the REAL truth" approach to ideas, which appeals to their sense that the world must be about more than they've learned so far. Couple that with a bit of immaturity and a sense that the world just isn't fair because they don't get to start out with high paying jobs right out of the gate, and you have an audience easily convinced of a host of liberal ideas.


Most people outgrow those ideas as they get older and see that world really does work, and that all those things which seemed so unfair when they were younger are actually necessary and good things. This is why the Left puts so much focus on controlling school curriculum (especially college). They know that they only have a narrow window of time between when one is a teen and one becomes somewhat successful to convince people to adopt liberal ideas. Maybe 6 or 8 years for most people is all they have to work with. So they work that time period hard.




Oh. I see it perfectly clearly.

Sure, but most of Christ's teaching were metaphors and moralistic stories. Very rarely did he come out and say "DO THIS. DON'T DO THIS." One example of him being so blunt was the mandatum novum, or The New Commandment, and I agree with following that. I believe the teachings of Christ were purposefully kept vague so everyone could find their own way. Following Christ is the goal, not being him. It's the journey that matters, and every person will find a different way there.

I do know he didn't come out and say "abortion and homosexuality are bad, mmmkay." Other parts of the Bible say that, but as people in this thread have already stated, they also say things like eating meat on Friday are bad. Your argument puts yourself in a corner: you cannot LITERALLY follow the entire Bible, so you will always be damned by your own logic.




You got the first half! You follow the spirit of the sayings, you interpret the morals and stories yourself, and you make your own peace with God and humanity. You can easily still call yourself a Christian. But by doing so you need to accept that, hey, I can't judge other people because they probably did the same thing and just reached a different conclusion. Homosexuals can easily be Christians as well. So can abortion clinicians. Jesus never spoke on either. And I would argue that two gay men loving each other follows Christ's explicit orders more than people cursing and damning them for it. You might argue otherwise, but it's not your place to judge.



Maybe, but that has nothing to do with Christianity if you follow the major sects. What are you, Varrus, a Protestant of some sort? Remember how Martin Luther, angry monk that he was, declared himself that you could reach heaven "sola fide" or throught faith alone? Good acts are worthless in and of themselves; if they're done because of your faith and it makes you feel good to do it, then they have some merit. But good works won't get you to heaven, nor do they make you a better person according to Luther.

... Maybe if you're Catholic. But then you can just buy indulgences, or confess.

Edited, May 24th 2010 7:31pm by LockeColeMA

Yeah... I grew up in a moderate right wing family and attended a Christian private school where according to our pretend in school election for the 2000 presidency I was one of only about 3 kids in the entire school to vote democrat (at the time I had no understanding of either party, I just thought it sounded better).

And when I did go off to college, I was taking business courses, which in general have the most right wing professors of any school within a college.

Pretty sure I haven't been indoctrinated by the left during my education. Especially in Texas, where there are 7 of the 15 SBOE members are hard right, and they recently passed measures which some are criticizing as rewriting history to favor current right wing agenda. They certainly are indoctrinating students for the left.

My personal favorite is the mandate that they teach students the history of the Heritage Foundation. Because if there's one thing our children need to know before they're released out into the wild, it's the genesis of right-wing think tanks.

Edited, May 24th 2010 6:46pm by Jophiel

I get that trying to explain "free thought" to you is like trying to teach a kitten calculus, but:

When Samira says "then I started thinking" she means SHE STARTED THINKING, not "I sucked the **** of all the leftie profs I could find". Free thought means to take all the information available and make up your own mind about what that means to you.

I think it's quite sad that you fail to master this concept and instead let other think for you, but I guess this just shows that the world is not a fair place after all.


ALSO: In regard "positive rights" you really should read that wiki page all the way to the bottom, Eichmann.