AZ has another bill.Follow

Yep, this is what I learned too.

Edited, May 22nd 2010 12:18pm by Xsarus

Simply because I refuse to necropost, and this threat bears the same subject as the last Arizona immigration bill...

I present to you a white, anti-government militant's views on documentation requirements:



The man is wanted on suspicion of gunning down two police officers in Arkansas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37293723/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Edit: I forgot the link to the cited text.

Edited, May 22nd 2010 11:58pm by Ninomori

Yeah, I'm 31. I was tired Friday night, and didn't realize he was saying it was fabricated in the early 90's. I think I learned our version of "the Indians died because of diseases they didn't have any immunity to, but we don't think that was on purpose" in 1987 or '88. Maybe even as early as 1985, now that I think about it...

The only thing I really remember about the bad things done to the Indians that was taught in school was the Trail of Tears.

Tulip,



Did I say that was all that defined Christianity? Of course not. But as long as you rail against me it makes it easier for you to accept the actual sin. Abortion is murder, premeditated at that. And if you believe in the 10 commandments you can't support any kind of abortion period. Same for homosexuality; the bible is again quite clear on this matter. Tell me you're an atheist an agnostic or whatever else you want but you cannot support either homosexuality or abortion and claim to be a Christian.

Until we can agree that the act of conception has consequences and that people should be made to be held accountable for those consequences we can't even begin to have a dialogue.




Locked,



Being a Christian means you follow Christs teachings. It's not up to us, well Christians anyway, to decide which part of the Bible we like and which we don't thereby discarding the parts we don't necessarily agree with.


And yes I do try and follow the spirit of the bible. This does not mean accepting the life style choices of sinners as being ok.

Like i've said; I probably do more for my neighbors and neighborhood than all of you combined. While you're playing the family life, or party scene, or gaming, or whatever I'm usually out in the garden working towards being able to provide fresh vegetables for all my neighbors. If more people were like me and held the beliefs I did there would be no need for food stamps because the neighborhood would take care of its own during difficult times.

Yeah, one of the things I learned in school was that the underlying principles of the two main parties have shifted again and again over the centuries, such that Lincoln's Republican Party would be nearly unrecognizable to Republicans today.

Still, it's fun to read neocons exalt Lincoln. It's a bit like witnessing Pat Buchanan's sweaty fealty to a long-haired radical Jew.

I knew Lincoln was a Republican but I hail from the Land o' Lincoln (it says so on my license plate) so I don't know how great of an example I am. I think the only other political parties we explored for past presidents was noting that T. Roosevelt was a Republican (originally, anyway) and F. Roosevelt was a Democrat.

Most of Gbaji's questions sound more like a scared conservative's ideas of what the terrible social indoctrination of school must be like than reality. The closest we came to learning about "rights" was studying for the state mandated Constitution test. We never discussed Roe v Wade, "positive rights" or any of that. Our Civil Rights "discussion" was maybe one 50-minute period spent on MLK and Rosa Parks. We learned that there were Indians, some friendly and some less friendly and some of which died from exposure to European diseases. The next time they came up was a one paragraph mention of the Trail of Tears. That must have been when they all died because we never heard from them again.

The elementary/secondary history education is about 80% designed to raise up America loving future citizens who idolize Washington, Jefferson & Lincoln and 20% designed to actually teach what was going on at any particular point in time. If you're lucky, there's a little overlap.

Tulip,



Did I say you were? My statements were solely for those who believe there's no conflict between being a christian and supporting abortions on demand.

If I had only learn history from school and not exposed to other sources at home, I would most likely hold views much like the Christian Right Neocons.

Instead my house was filled with history books and historical fiction that I read eagerly. When ever an event in american History came up in family conversations, my mother was quick to add facts that were not likely to be taught unless you were a American History Major in college, as she was.

so by middle school I was able to give information about 100 current events from the last 20 years without looking any of them up or asking my parents like the assignment instructed us to. In fact I refuse to write down the answers and told my teachers that my mother would have been very upset if I had to ask her for the answers. Still I got an 'A' over the objects of classmates who had done the written assignment.

My High School had an experimental American History Class were we read original documents and newspaper articles from the period we were studying. This way we not only learn American History but learn how people thought of the events as they happen.

Since then I've always look for original source material to read over standard textbooks.

As to Civil Rights and Roe v. Wade, They were current events and So I learn about them watching the Nightly News, which with Vietnam, Riots and Assassinations of JFK, his brother Robert Kennedy and Martian Luther King Jr. had major influence on my views today.

Ps I was at the March On Washington to hear MLK give his I Have a Dream Speech. In 3th grade my teacher spent all her time in class worry about her father who had a store on 16th St. in Washington D.C. during the Riots after his death.

edited due to my keyboard being rather lazy about Capitalizations and typos lately. Time for a new, use one I guess.

Edited, May 24th 2010 5:12pm by ElneClare

edit my edit note.

Edited, May 24th 2010 5:13pm by ElneClare

Better educated in Marine Biology maybe. I'm sure I could kick your *** in naming native Illinois prairie grasses but I'm not sure what that would prove.

This was the second sign I've had in the last two days that told me I needed to bust out the Seinfeld DVDs.

History as taught in public schools is more willing to fact the fact that America isn't perfect then when I went to school back in the 60's and 70's. Up till 8th grade I was taught how wonderful America and that we did nothing wrong. If it wasn't for the experimental Amer. History class in 10th grade I wouldn't have had learn much about how American Colonist treated Native Americans. We read the treaties and news accounts of the days when they were broken. That lead me to read on my own I Buried My Heart at Wounded Knee. I then read several other books by Native American writers about their experiences as they were force to moved to Reservations.

As to my spelling, I never claim to be a good speller, as I have a genetic disorder that has affected both my ability to spell and write. Scoring in the 99% in reading comprehension means far more to learning, then being able to study rote answers to a test.

Darn took 3 tries to get my shift key to captialize the letter A in the being of a sentence. 2 times for the D in the last sentence.

Edited, May 24th 2010 5:48pm by ElneClare