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#1 May 12 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Brewer's signature on the bill Tuesday comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration — a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. The governor has said profiling will not be tolerated.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors.

Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos."

District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled in the Tucson district's program. Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program, said last month that students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," he said.

Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday saying all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman didn't directly address the UN criticism, but said Brewer supports the bill's goal.

"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

Arce could not immediately be reached after Brewer signed the bill late Tuesday.


I'm a little confused about this, to be honest. First, I'm not sure why solidarity is a bad thing, necessarily. Second, anyone who tells their classroom that Republicans hate any race should be, if not fired, at least censured and watched closely.

It seems to me that what they're trying to do is eliminate any classes that teach about an ethnicity other than our own (that is, other than the traditional WASP type thingy). It just seems hateful and ignorant.

Edited, May 12th 2010 10:53am by Belkira
#2 May 12 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

I'm a little confused about this, to be honest. First, I'm not sure why solidarity is a bad thing, necessarily. Second, anyone who tells their classroom that Republicans hate any race should be, if not fired, at least censured and watched closely.


Dolores Huerta, mentioned in the article, was not a teacher; she's a civil rights leader who was invited to speak at an optional assembly at a Tucson high school.

Horne was real classy in referring to her solely as "one of Cesar Chavez's old girlfriends" when talking about her, instead of actually talking about her long and decorated history as an activist.

That said, it was pretty stupid of her to make that quote in 2006. A more accurate description would have been "Most Republicans could care less for the rights of Latinos."
#3 May 12 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
It seems more like they are trying to foster the melting pot theory rather than the silo-ing of different ethnic groups. This country has the goal of adding the richness of the different cultures to our own and becoming better for it. Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.
#4 May 12 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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A more accurate description would have been "Most Republicans could care less for the rights of Latinos."

And an even more accurate description would have been to say "Most Republicans could care less about the rights of people who don't have any desire to embrace the culture of the country they move to because their's blew so much they had to leave it."
#5 May 12 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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It seems more like they are trying to foster the melting pot theory rather than the silo-ing of different ethnic groups. This country has the goal of adding the richness of the different cultures to our own and becoming better for it. Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.


When did you go to school, Moe? "Melting Pot" wasn't taught to me outside of maybe elementary education; most colleges and high schools refer to a "mixed salad" analogy. Lots of different, diverse, distinct parts that all together make a salad.

Mmmm, makes me hungry.
#6 May 12 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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most colleges and high schools refer to a "mixed salad" analogy. Lots of different, diverse, distinct parts that all together make a salad.

Ahh, the influence of PC, multiculturalist bullsh;t.
#7 May 12 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
A more accurate description would have been "Most Republicans could care less for the rights of Latinos."

And an even more accurate description would have been to say "Most Republicans could care less about the rights of people who don't have any desire to embrace the culture of the country they move to because their's blew so much they had to leave it."
But, 'they' are 'we' too.

I can only assume you mean to say that latino americans should conform to the traditions of eastern European americans.
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#8 May 12 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
When did you go to school, Moe? "Melting Pot" wasn't taught to me outside of maybe elementary education; most colleges and high schools refer to a "mixed salad" analogy.


He must be a Gen X'er.
#9 May 12 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
A more accurate description would have been "Most Republicans could care less for the rights of Latinos."

And an even more accurate description would have been to say "Most Republicans could care less about the rights of people who don't have any desire to embrace the culture of the country they move to because their's blew so much they had to leave it."
But, 'they' are 'we' too.

I can only assume you mean to say that latino americans should conform to the traditions of eastern European americans.

Then you assume incorrectly. This country is full of inclusions of many different cultures. Latinos should absolutely conform to the norm in this country if they want to participate. If they want to learn their culture, they should do so off my dime like the jews, the greeks, and everyone else who goes to their community centers to be instructed in their cultural heritage. This is America, the country that most of the people here emigrated to, or are the result of such an act, for a better life; one that beat out the sh;tty systems they were living under (except the darkies, of course).
#10 May 12 2010 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
When did you go to school, Moe? "Melting Pot" wasn't taught to me outside of maybe elementary education; most colleges and high schools refer to a "mixed salad" analogy.


He must be a Gen X'er.
The tossed salad was the converse to the melting pot.

The melting pot all cultures melted together, the tossed salad the cultures retained their individual characteristics no matter how dispersed the individuals or groups of individuals may be.

We learned that some areas became melting pots while others became more like tossed salads.

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#11 May 12 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
A more accurate description would have been "Most Republicans could care less for the rights of Latinos."

And an even more accurate description would have been to say "Most Republicans could care less about the rights of people who don't have any desire to embrace the culture of the country they move to because their's blew so much they had to leave it."
But, 'they' are 'we' too.

I can only assume you mean to say that latino americans should conform to the traditions of eastern European americans.

Then you assume incorrectly. This country is full of inclusions of many different cultures. Latinos should absolutely conform to the norm in this country if they want to participate. If they want to learn their culture, they should do so off my dime like the jews, the greeks, and everyone else who goes to their community centers to be instructed in their cultural heritage. This is America, the country that most of the people here emigrated to, or are the result of such an act, for a better life; one that beat out the sh;tty systems they were living under (except the darkies, of course).
Who defines the norm?
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#12 May 12 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Who defines the norm?

That's a stupid question, and one I believe you already know the answer to as you're not totally ignorant.
#13 May 12 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.

Hahahaha... "recently"?

There's never been a "melting pot" where immigrants came and magically & immediately turned into pleasant and unoffensive little WASPs so the English speakin' white folk wouldn't have to worry. Where do you think the various Chinatowns in major cities came from? Little Italy? Irish neighborhoods? Greektown? German/Scandinavian neighborhood and towns? So on and so forth. Immigrants have always had a history of isolating themselves and only assimilating over generations and Americans have always had a history of spazzing out about it, declaring that these immigrants were threatening to destroy the American way of life and passing knee-jerk legislation based more in xenophobia than fact.

In fact, studies show that Hispanic immigrants are assimilating faster than previous immigrant waves did due to pop culture and greater acceptance towards inter-racial dating and marriage.

Hehehe... "recently".

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State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Wait, is this guy saying that blacks in the Old South weren't oppressed by white people?
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#14 May 12 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
But, 'they' are 'we' too.

I can only assume you mean to say that latino americans should conform to the traditions of eastern European americans.


No, no. They can keep their own traditions.

They just can't talk about them in a positive light.

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I can only assume you mean to say that latino americans should conform to the traditions of eastern European americans.

That's how we do shit at my house!
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#16 May 12 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wait, is this guy saying that blacks in the Old South weren't oppressed by white people?


Oh, maybe. I thought he was saying that in the Old South, white people were erroneously taught that they were being oppressed by slaves.

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Maybe he's mad that the black immigrants didn't properly assimilate into white society once they got here, since they were so anxious to leave Africa and all.
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#18 May 12 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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He couldn't mean that slaves were taught that they were being oppressed by white culture, since it was illegal to teach slaves.

Hmm, what could he mean?

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#19 May 12 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.


Where is this culture being forced on anyone...?
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#21 May 12 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.


Where is this culture being forced on anyone...?

Oh, hi.
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The Morgan Hill Unified School District does not agree with the decision of the Live Oak administration and released the following statement: “The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.”

An administrator thought he was preventing potential confrontations and wasn't supported by the district in how he handled it?

I know I feel persecuted as an American. My culture is being shredded around me.
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#23 May 12 2010 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Too often people emigrating recently can't be ***** to take on the richness that is our melting pot and would rather force the culture that was so awesome that they left it on us.


Where is this culture being forced on anyone...?

Oh, hi.


Smiley: laugh

That was particularly weak, for you. I would've expected something like that from Varus, though.
#24 May 12 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Morgan Hill Unified School District does not agree with the decision of the Live Oak administration and released the following statement: “The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.”

An administrator thought he was preventing potential confrontations and wasn't supported by the district in how he handled it?

I know I feel persecuted as an American. My culture is being shredded around me.

Did Miguel Rodriguez tell them to turn their shirts in or go home because an American flag was incendiary on a Mexican "holiday" in a U.S. school?

That's what I thought.
#25 May 12 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
That was particularly weak, for you. I would've expected something like that from Varus, though.

I guess so, being able to point at something so recent. Weak sauce indeed. I should know a latino in a position of authority in a U.S. school suggesting the American flag is incendiary is meaningless.
#26 May 12 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I should know a latino in a position of authority in a U.S. school suggesting the American flag is incendiary is meaningless.


Do you feel that it was not incendiary? Or that these kids were not trying to get a rise out of people and/or start trouble with Mexican students?

I think it was stupid to send them home, but I can understand the reasoning behind the decision even if I don't agree with it.
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