May 7th this year was 65 years after Germany surrendered to the Allied Forces in WWII. May 8th, the surrender was formally ratified.
We watched Der Untergang tonight in celebration, if you want to call it that. (Commemoration?) As the film progressed and the horrors of war became more apparent, my mind kept fleeing back to the casual use of "fascist", "****", "Communist", and "Hilter" as insults in politics today.
No one, right or left, is doing **** that bad in the US. Maybe if you want to talk about Rwandan genocides in Darfur, you can toss around similar comparisons. I seriously want to sit down with extreme right and left wingers, make them watch that movie, and then go "SEE?! THIS IS WHAT FASCISM IS REALLY ABOUT! SHUT UP ABOUT GOP VS DEMS!" It's killing your own ******* children with cyanide poison so they don't have to grow up in a world without Nazism! It's shooting civilians for having the audacity to try to get away from the fighting! It's blind loyalty and suicide pacts. It's absolutely crazy.
And it bears no resemblance to arguments regarding whether health insurance companies are allowed to deny you coverage for breast cancer because you had a yeast infection when you were 20, or whether Wall Street should be allowed to bilk its own clients into financial ruin by betting against them. Any such comparisons are automatically stupid and should be summarily ignored.
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A lot of people are sensitive to these conceptions. I guess it's what Godwin's Law is all about.
Damn, I thought this was Nobby's real birthday thread.
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Just to clear something up for you, sport, you don't have to be a ****, or as bad as the *****, to be a fascist.
You know these have nothing to do with each other, I hope. Darfur is in Sudan, not Rwanda. They're both in Africa but they're different places.
Or perhaps so they weren't raped to death by allied soldiers? Come on.
Plenty of non fascist countries (such as Britain and America) used to do this. It is not a requirement of fascism.
Those people were already dead. It wasn't a choice between suicide and a long, glorious life but between an agonising death later or a painless one then. As for loyalty, people were increasingly disloyal, and many of those who weren't simply had no other choice after what they had done.
None of the things you have mentioned are explicitly or even strongly linked to fascism. There are fascists in the US, and in the UK. There are even people who call themselves fascists. I think your problem is that you haven't got any idea what the word means or what the political philosophy stands for.
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Maybe if you want to talk about Rwandan genocides in Darfur
You know these have nothing to do with each other, I hope. Darfur is in Sudan, not Rwanda. They're both in Africa but they're different places.
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It's killing your own @#%^ing children with cyanide poison so they don't have to grow up in a world without Nazism!
Or perhaps so they weren't raped to death by allied soldiers? Come on.
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It's shooting civilians for having the audacity to try to get away from the fighting!
Plenty of non fascist countries (such as Britain and America) used to do this. It is not a requirement of fascism.
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It's blind loyalty and suicide pacts.
Those people were already dead. It wasn't a choice between suicide and a long, glorious life but between an agonising death later or a painless one then. As for loyalty, people were increasingly disloyal, and many of those who weren't simply had no other choice after what they had done.
None of the things you have mentioned are explicitly or even strongly linked to fascism. There are fascists in the US, and in the UK. There are even people who call themselves fascists. I think your problem is that you haven't got any idea what the word means or what the political philosophy stands for.
Hitler fascism isn't right or left. It's essentially a religion, the big man himself put it as a world view. Extreme nationalism and the higher ups make up the odd parts. Killing your own soldiers: Soviets have been doing it since at least World War One. Set up the machine guns behind the front lines, runners get mowed down. Japanese, a family stuck in a cave for weeks/months on an island ran out of food. They just sent their daughter who was like 8 out to the american base and told her to smile at them so she wouldn't have to starve to death. No it wasn't so they would give her food which they did, she brought it back to the cave and offered it to them while eating it with them telling her it's poison. I don't think I've ever heard either side called fascist, and communism was more to stress the point (socialism is much closer). What was the point of this thread again?
I think the point is that real war is Hell, whoever, wherever, whenever it's played out. Real True Hell. And Catwho doesn't like the squabbles of the political process being compared to wartime or totalitarian history.
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I think the point is that real war is Hell, whoever, wherever, whenever it's played out. Real True Hell. And Catwho doesn't like the squabbles of the political process being compared to wartime or totalitarian history.
And I was making two points:
1) Using the words fascist and communist does not do this.
2) catwho is ignorant.
I contend I'm more accurate in my OP definition of fascism than the people who call Obama an islamo-fascist-communistic Kenyan.
That must be very nice for you, but I don't think "I'm slightly less ignorant than these people" is a very good defence. Maybe, in future, you should aim higher?
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