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#1 May 05 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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...and other folks from non-America English-speaking countries. Can you give me a brief rundown of what higher education is like in your country? I'm probably going to attempt to get my Master's/Doctorate outside the USA, and I was wondering how things are abroad. Are fees cheaper than they are here? Do foreigners get some sort of aid? Which ones are the party schools? How hard is it to get accepted? Etc.

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Also, google won't give me the kind of personalized info I'm looking for, nor will it spark a conversation on Allakhazam.
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University of Guyana. $4,000 annually for foreigners.

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For foreigners they squeeze your tits until they milk blood out of them, and they are smart enough not to fall "my tits are on my *****" line.

I went to school with a guy from Mexico whose family was pretty well off, but he was paying almost double per class what I was as an international student here in Canuckistan. Not sure how that fairs province to province though.
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#9 May 06 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
In the UK, for a Masters, you can expect to pay between £6-10k in tuition fees for the year, if you go to a decent University. Then you need to add the cost of living on top of that. It's not too hard to get accepted for a Masters as a foreign student, since they're desperate for the cash. I'm not sure how much financial aid you can get, but you'll most probably be able to take out a student loan.

As for Universities themselves, Imperial College and UCL in London has a great reputation for sciences. You'll probably have more fun studying outside London and being on campus, though, at a place like Bristol. It'll be cheaper too. Afterwards it depends on the reputation of the University, the grades you have, and what you can afford.
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I couldn't tell you what it cost foreigners, because as a conservative, I never talked to any to find out. I always assumed they were stealing our tax dollars and paying the same as the rest of us, but apparently they pay double. Unless it is different province to province. Cost of living is going vary greatly depending on where you go.
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#11 May 06 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
See if Concordia or McGill have what you are looking for. Both are good schools, with McGill being the more prestigious. In my opinion, Canadian schools are a great value, unless you have a decent state U; the international tuition is still far less than a standard US tuition.

Both are in Montreal, so the party option is there if you want. Peel Pub, a casino, some of the best strip clubs in the world, plenty to do, even if you don't want to do keg stands in a frat house.
#12 May 06 2010 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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See if Concordia or McGill have what you are looking for. Both are good schools, with McGill being the more prestigious. In my opinion, Canadian schools are a great value, unless you have a decent state U; the international tuition is still far less than a standard US tuition.

Both are in Montreal, [...]

You had me until you dropped that little gem.
#13 May 06 2010 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
See if Concordia or McGill have what you are looking for. Both are good schools, with McGill being the more prestigious. In my opinion, Canadian schools are a great value, unless you have a decent state U; the international tuition is still far less than a standard US tuition.

Both are in Montreal, [...]

You had me until you dropped that little gem.
I understand that Montreal has it's downsides (people who pretend they don't speak english just to be cnuts), but why the hate?
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I believe Australia squeezes foreigners for all we can get, for education over here. Foreign students pay the full cost of their courses, which the educational institution is free to set as it likes.

There are a rash of new small "visa-churners" which are basically rorts. They take large fees, neglect to educate the students, but by certifying the student with a degree or certificate, raise the individual's chances of gaining Australian citizenship, since they have a higher education.

However, many of the larger, long established institutions have good reputations world wide, appearing on world educational league tables. Some of them have special fields for which they are most known and respected.

Whether or not you ever get educated here, Australia is a job destination for astronomers, being one of the few stable, wealthy, first world nations in the Southern Hemisphere. As you have to be in the Southern Hemisphere to view the other half of the universe, there are many international institutions such as NASA and the USA army that either collaborate, or have their own private projects down here in Aus. We also, of course, have an abundance of desert locations, far away from light-polluted cities.

Edited, May 6th 2010 8:52am by Aripyanfar
#15 May 06 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Excellent
Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
See if Concordia or McGill have what you are looking for. Both are good schools, with McGill being the more prestigious. In my opinion, Canadian schools are a great value, unless you have a decent state U; the international tuition is still far less than a standard US tuition.

Both are in Montreal, [...]

You had me until you dropped that little gem.
I understand that Montreal has it's downsides (people who pretend they don't speak english just to be cnuts), but why the hate?

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#16 May 06 2010 at 6:56 AM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
See if Concordia or McGill have what you are looking for. Both are good schools, with McGill being the more prestigious. In my opinion, Canadian schools are a great value, unless you have a decent state U; the international tuition is still far less than a standard US tuition.

Both are in Montreal, [...]

You had me until you dropped that little gem.
I understand that Montreal has it's downsides (people who pretend they don't speak english just to be cnuts), but why the hate?

Québécois
Fair enough.
#17 May 06 2010 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
Don't get me wrong, I like Canada. Vancouver doesn't completely suck (although I wouldn't shed too many tears if their hockey team's plane fell out of the sky...) and Thunder Bay is purty. Maybe if they have a good university in Toronto?
#18 May 06 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Don't get me wrong, I like Canada. Vancouver doesn't completely suck (although I wouldn't shed too many tears if their hockey team's plane fell out of the sky...) and Thunder Bay is purty. Maybe if they have a good university in Toronto?

Central Montreal isn't like the rest of quebec. It's more like Philly without the lunatics, or Boston without the racism.
#19 May 06 2010 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Hum, apparently there are scholarships you can apply for for Masters or Doctorates, with foriegn students needful to be full time students to qualify for scholarship.

With some cursory googling, it appears that astrophysics students are often scholared and part educated through many of the existing astrophysic scientific organisations, such as the Australia Telescope National Facility, in partnership with the traditional education institutions.

Extra travel scholarships of $5,000-6,000 also seem standard for Astronomy PhD students. Probably partly because Aussie facilities are dotted over the whole continent, and partly because some courses offer guaranteed time on overseas facilities such as the 10m Keck telescopes in Hawaii.

At one institution there are two scholarship rounds each year: the main round in late October and a smaller round in late May. That sounds about standard. Aussie school years start in January-February. Second Semester starts in July.

Astronomy scholarship info Maybe calling the nearest Australian embassy would be a good place to start to find someone who will find you fee information.
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Manitoba likes to think it has Universities... but they're really just run-down pieces of crap with 80-year old professors who make their grad students teach the class while they take sabbaticals every year. Not kidding. Big battle going on right now, too. University of Manitoba wants to double the costs for grad students in the next few years and everyone is fighting back.

University of Winnipeg is a "better" school, but still not great.

Macleans Magazine puts an issue out yearly about the top Universities in Canada.

Look through this.
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Lubriderm the Hand wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I like Canada. Vancouver doesn't completely suck (although I wouldn't shed too many tears if their hockey team's plane fell out of the sky...) and Thunder Bay is purty. Maybe if they have a good university in Toronto?

Central Montreal isn't like the rest of quebec. It's more like Philly without the lunatics, or Boston without the racism.
Montreal is a pretty fantastic city. I've been there quite a few times now that my cousin and his wife life there, and from what I can tell it'd be a great place to live.
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I'm starting to think that Ash isn't going to Guyana.

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Maybe if they have a good university in Toronto?
Ryerson is supposed to be a really good school, but i think they're more noted for the Arts. University of Toronto has an excellent Science program if I'm remberming correctly. I believe the University of Alberta is supposed to have a good Science program as well, if you want to live in a city in the middle of no where. And of course, Dalhoussie here in Halifax has an excellent Science program as well, but they're most notable for Medicine and Law.
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#24 May 06 2010 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
If you are going for a PhD in a science field, and they don't give you a job which covers your costs (tuition, living, etc) then they aren't really accepting you. Move on. Thus cost should not be an issue. They may well have extra fees for international students. Your department should be able to pay for that. This may not be in the literature. Apply: if they accept you, discuss it with them at that point.

Whatever they are paying you is tiny compared with their other expenses and having the best students they can find willing to attend their institution is worth far, far more then they are paying anyone.

If you are not going for a science field, it varies.
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Lubriderm wrote:
Both are in Montreal, so the party option is there if you want. Peel Pub, a casino, some of the best strip clubs in the world, plenty to do, even if you don't want to do keg stands in a frat house.


Wow, you just brought back some lost weekends I spent partying in Montreal. I've enjoyed plenty of cheap meals and beer at the Peel Pub. Great place to have a good time; I always found the people there very friendly and willing to converse in English. It reminds me of Europe, and so it is filled with beautiful, stylish women who are completely approachable and have a sexy French accent.

Good times.
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I always found the people there very friendly and willing to converse in English.
Is it Peel or St Catherines that's the English speaking party street? I thought it was Peel, which would explain your luck there as it's frequented by the English resients. But I could be getting them backwards and St Catherines is the English speaking street.
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