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#1 May 05 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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A Bankrupt state, voting on whether to accept a loan from the EU/IMF (at extortionate Credit Card level rates of interest). Even if they accept the loan, they'll have to make drastic cuts to public sector pay and raise taxes. OK, their system is already corrupt, with the wealthy paying hardly any tax, and a 'jobs for life' mentality to huge swathes of unproductive made-up jobs. . .

So they're rioting in the streets (3 dead so far) and all going on strike.

Plato and Aristotle must be spinning in their graves Smiley: oyvey

So which EU nation is next to crash and burn? Smart money is that Portugal, Italy, Spain and Ireland are on the brink.

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#2 May 05 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rome seems to have a history of following the Greeks, so I'm going to say Italy.
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#3 May 05 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Rome seems to have a history of following the Greeks, so I'm going to say Italy.


NobbyRack TM Smiley: lol
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#4 May 05 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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Plato and Aristotle must be spinning in their graves


They've been doing that since some effort was made to treat women like equals.
#5 May 05 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
Slovakia.

Good lord the EU is complicated:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Supranational_European_Bodies.png

Latvia, for example is in the EU but not Eurozone, meaning they don't use the Euro as currency and thus (I am guessing) they cannot tank the economy of other nations as easily?
#6 May 05 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Republicans tell me that Ireland has the lowest corporate tax rate in the universe and so we should do whatever they do. They wouldn't steer me wrong.

I'd heard about Spain when the Greece thing started (although Greece overshadowed it) and heard today that Moody's was threatening to lower Portugal's bond rating. Hadn't heard about Italy.
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#7 May 06 2010 at 2:57 AM Rating: Good
Come oooooooooooooooooon, Belgium!
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#8 May 06 2010 at 3:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm kinda annoyed that UKIP come across as total retards right now.
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Ouch. 348 point drop in the Dow attributed primarily to the Greece situation.
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#10 May 06 2010 at 5:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ouch. 348 point drop in the Dow attributed primarily to the Greece situation.


Obligatory fall from Mt. Olympus comment.
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#11 May 06 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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Ouch. 348 point drop in the Dow attributed primarily to the Greece situation.
Also partly due to someone hitting B instead of M possibly.
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Yeah, I saw that but the market "recovered" from a nearly 1,000 point drop earlier in the day. I assumed that recovery was at least partially based on correcting the P&G thing.
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#13 May 06 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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That must be one hell of a fat finger, since there's a whole 'nuther key in between them. And I doubt the system would have accepted "nillions" as an order.
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#14ThiefX, Posted: May 06 2010 at 9:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And yet liberals keep trying to turn the U.S. into just another European socialist democracy.
#15 May 06 2010 at 9:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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So which EU nation is next to crash and burn? Smart money is that Portugal, Italy, Spain and Ireland are on the brink.


And yet liberals keep trying to turn the U.S. into just another European socialist democracy.

Um, hello,

Greece is going through now what the USA did a couple years ago. Crash, burn, have to borrow a SHITLOAD of money from other nations so you didn't default on your debt, and have to introduce extreme measures to stabilise the economy, leading to needing to repay a huge necessary public debt by either major cutting spending or raising taxes, or both.

Edited, May 6th 2010 11:57pm by Aripyanfar
#16ThiefX, Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um, hello,
#17 May 06 2010 at 10:33 PM Rating: Good
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Properly targeted government spending and entitlement programs enable citizens to turn into better and more productive assets*, that generate more income for the nation in the future. Enlarging the Government slice of the economic pie doesn't necessarily take away from the Private Sector slice. In fact, the aim with Government spending is usually to increase the pie overall, so that the Private Sector slice grows as much or even more than the Government slice.



*Well educated, healthy, free-moving people

Edited, May 7th 2010 12:34am by Aripyanfar
#18 May 07 2010 at 12:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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How do you make the DOW index drop faster? You Greece it!
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#19 May 07 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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Har de Har har har.
#20 May 07 2010 at 3:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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ThiefX wrote:

Greece is going through what's in store for the other European countries.


Err no, you are misinformed.
Greece was cooking their books for years till they couldnt hide it anymore.
A huge fail on the part of the EMU for not double checking.
Now other European countries known for their "creative bookkeeping" are feared as well.

The rest of the honest European socialist commy goverments are having no real economic (less then USA anyway) problems other then being dragged down by their scamming neighbours.

I think the best move is to sell Greece to Disney, doesnt need much renovating to turn it into a themepark.

And my money on the biggest economic bomb is going to be Italy, by far the most corrupt state in Europe.

Edited, May 7th 2010 11:06am by Sjans
#21 May 07 2010 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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Properly targeted government spending and entitlement programs enable citizens to turn into better and more productive assets*, that generate more income for the nation in the future. Enlarging the Government slice of the economic pie doesn't necessarily take away from the Private Sector slice. In fact, the aim with Government spending is usually to increase the pie overall, so that the Private Sector slice grows as much or even more than the Government slice.

This entire post is complete and utter Utopian bullsh;t.
#22 May 07 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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How do you make the DOW index drop faster? You Greece it!


Good joke, bad logic. Greece was bad, a glitch when you put in the wrote quote price was much much worse.
#23 May 07 2010 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

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The Republicans tell me that Ireland has the lowest corporate tax rate in the universe and so we should do whatever they do. They wouldn't steer me wrong.


And the Democrats keep telling me this will never happen in the US no matter how socialist we become.



#24 May 07 2010 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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They do? I never hear anyone hold up Greece (or Spain, Italy or Portugal) as an economic model for anything.

The Ireland thing though I heard all the time.
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#25 May 07 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
Aripya,

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Properly targeted government spending and entitlement programs enable citizens to turn into better and more productive assets*


All entitlement programs do is create slaves to the state. Of course that's what Democrats want everyone, not affiliated with the govn, to be so they keep on stealing from the producers to support the non-producers. We see how well that concept is working in Greece.



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Enlarging the Government slice of the economic pie doesn't necessarily take away from the Private Sector slice. In fact, the aim with Government spending is usually to increase the pie overall, so that the Private Sector slice grows as much or even more than the Government slice.


Are you really this stupid? Denial is more than just a big river. All enlarging the govn role in the private sector does is kill competition thereby driving successful businesses out of business.



So Democrats where do we stop? Do we bailout europe then the uk? What do you think the little monkey in the whitehouse is going to do?


p.s. Until Obama apologizes for his teabagger comment I'm going to continue to refer to him as the little monkey in the whitehouse. Since obviously we're beyond any civility in political discourse.


#26 May 07 2010 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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We see how well that concept is working in Greece.
Seems to be working out fairly well north of you. Not perfect, but I've yet to see any country do everything right.
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