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#202 May 12 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe gbaji's reasoning in another thread was that they weren't acts of terrorism, per se, because terrorism is supposed to be random and they wanted to hit specific governmental targets.


Actually, that's a separate issue entirely. In this case, it was more about how this group is caught and arrested before they'd even gotten around to actually planning or preparing to commit any sort of crime at all. As far as I can tell from what I've read/heard, they hadn't really gotten past the "I know! We could do something like this..." stage in their grand plot/scheme/whatever. And they were "caught" because instead of actually going forward with any sort of plan, they just ran around bragging about their brilliant idea to every other militia group member they ran into within a 200 mile radius until everyone else got so sick of them, they turned them into the feds.

If that's seriously the crowning achievement in the anti-terrorism effort of the Obama administration, I'm a bit less than impressed. Meanwhile, the same administration is consistently failing to detect guys who are only failing in their plots because the devices they used didn't work properly. I just think that "being lucky" isn't a great thing to hinge national security on and perhaps they should rethink their priorities here.

I also find it ironic that "racial profiling" is apparently only a bad thing if the race being profiled isn't white. Maybe if this administration spent less time worrying about the skin colors of the people and more time looking at what they're actually doing? Just a suggestion...
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#203 May 12 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
If that's seriously the crowning achievement in the anti-terrorism effort of the Obama administration, I'm a bit less than impressed.

No, but it makes a hell of a straw man.
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#204 May 12 2010 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
If that's seriously the crowning achievement in the anti-terrorism effort of the Obama administration, I'm a bit less than impressed.

No, but it makes a hell of a straw man.


How the fuck can it be a strawman when I wasn't the one to bring it up? It's not my fault that this is apparently the best example of recent angry white gun-toting bible thumping domestic terrorism anyone could come up with. It's not a strawman to point out that someone else is tossing around a red herring...
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#205 May 12 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
How the fuck can it be a strawman when I wasn't the one to bring it up?

Someday when you learn what a straw man is and how you use them, you'll come to appreciate how skilled you are at creating them.
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#206 May 12 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
How the fuck can it be a strawman when I wasn't the one to bring it up?

Someday when you learn what a straw man is and how you use them, you'll come to appreciate how skilled you are at creating them.


Lol! I didn't have to invent a weak position to argue against Joph. Someone actually made that weak argument. There is a difference you know...
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That wasn't the straw man.

Go study your books really hard, come back and try again. If you get it right, I'll give you a gold star.
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#208 May 12 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
That wasn't the straw man.

Go study your books really hard, come back and try again. If you get it right, I'll give you a gold star.


Oh! 20 questions. Goody!

Is it related to when I made Smash look like an idiot for "profiling" the aforementioned attack as a white male? Or was it when I simply presented the obvious reason why he did that in the first place? Yes Virginia, there really are a whole bunch of folks on the Left desperate to convince the public that we should be just as concerned about angry white gun-toting bible-thumping people as we are about angry middle-eastern koran-thumping bomb-planting people. Or had you failed to notice this?
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#210 May 13 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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#211 May 13 2010 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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Is that seriously the best you can do? The great "angry white gun toting bible thumper" threat consists of a small extended semi-inbred family who plan to do great and violent things whilst apparently sitting on their couches and munching on pork rinds and not much else? Well, it's a good thing that homeland security got right on top of that and took them out before they did anything. Heck. We took them out before they even had a plan to do something. They were just planning on having a plan to plan to do something "bad"...

Funny that we miss a guy who's traveled to Pakistan a half dozen times and met with known terrorists cause that's not on the profile I guess, but we got these guys, so that's something!

You're kidding, right?


And the guy who set his cock on fire trying to light a nonviable explosive mix (completely incapable of exploding) was such a big fucking threat?
#212 May 13 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
And the guy who set his cock on fire trying to light a nonviable explosive mix (completely incapable of exploding) was such a big fucking threat?


In what way is PETN a "nonviable explosive mix"? What failed was the chemical detonator, and that was likely because he didn't apply it properly. It burned in the syringe instead of inside the tube of PETN itself. The explosive he had was certainly sufficient to blow a good sized hole in the side of the plane. It may or may not have brought the whole plane down, but that's all really beside the point. The same failures of security which seem to keep allowing these sorts of events can equally allow events which succeed. We've just plain been lucky. Nothing more.
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