The fact that Varus needs to cherry-pick a line from 2010 and try to connect it to another cherry-picked line from nearly a decade ago (in which Obama is talking about the Civil Rights Movement) pretty much says it all.
Edited, Apr 30th 2010 12:25pm by Jophiel
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
The fact that Varus needs to cherry-pick a line from 2010 and try to connect it to another cherry-picked line from nearly a decade ago (in which Obama is talking about the Civil Rights Movement) pretty much says it all.
I agree. A consistent message is one that should be given greater weight than one he just came up with during the run up to his presidency or in his time in office.
Omegavegeta wrote:
Locke wrote:
You can opinions
Can you?
Perhaps you can't.
There was a "have" in between "you" and "opinions!" L2readinvisiblethings! :-P
Varus wrote:
God you're a f*cking idiot.
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Yes yes we know everytime (you) can't defend the actions of (your) politicians (you) revert to calling their opponents stupid. We get this.
Well done, little buddy.
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Most people who have opinions generally base their actions on those opinions. We can only hope those opinions were formed based on factual information.
Yeah, uh, if they have the power and if their opinions make sense. I don't see Obama repealing smoking bans even though he's a smoker. It would certainly make his life easier, but hey, he's not idiotic.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The fact that Varus needs to cherry-pick a line from 2010 and try to connect it to another cherry-picked line from nearly a decade ago (in which Obama is talking about the Civil Rights Movement) pretty much says it all.
This must be the part where you're trolling because I know you're not seriously calling two unrelated statements made over a ten year period a "consistent message".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The fact that Varus needs to cherry-pick a line from 2010 and try to connect it to another cherry-picked line from nearly a decade ago (in which Obama is talking about the Civil Rights Movement) pretty much says it all.
This must be the part where you're trolling because I know you're not seriously calling two unrelated statements made over a ten year period a "consistent message".
Call them bookends.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Mendham,
Now if i'm averaging 60k annually from insurance and 10k annual from working in the garden what does that put me at. I know math isn't liberals strong suit but I have faith even you can get this.
Now if i'm averaging 60k annually from insurance and 10k annual from working in the garden what does that put me at. I know math isn't liberals strong suit but I have faith even you can get this.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
bsphil wrote:
MDenham isn't a liberal. This has to have come up before - not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal.
Dude, let it go. I'm farther to the right than Pat Buchannon on most things and Varus calls me a liberal. He's floating in space without a tether and has lost touch with the grab bar.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Obama, in Varus's mind wrote:
I think there's only so many apples one guy needs to own before further apples are kind of ridiculous and i'm going to do everything in my power to see that those extra apples that guy doesn't need get distributed to people I think could use an extra apple or two.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Jophed,
Are you kidding? Obama said I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.
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Huh. I suppose it is easier for you to ignore what he said
Are you kidding? Obama said I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.
It's not gonna happen.
Edited, Apr 30th 2010 2:03pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
This must be the part where you're trolling because I know you're not seriously calling two unrelated statements made over a ten year period a "consistent message".
Call
/nod
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'm farther to the right than Pat Buchannon on most things
Do you think Hitler was just misunderstood in his quest for peace?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'm farther to the right than Pat Buchannon on most things
Do you think Hitler was just misunderstood in his quest for peace?
What page is it? Oh yeah...
DUH! Of course I do. He was just lashing out in fear.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
From this thread, I have learned that once you become president, you are no longer allowed to have your own opinions on things without creating legislation that turns those opinions into law.
When you are a public official, your opinions influence public policy. It's kinda relevant to know that the president of the US does not agree with the "American Way" when it comes to wealth and property.
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Who knew?
Are you just playing here? Are you actually surprised that the statements of a politician might just be taken seriously? If Bush had said something like "I know it's the American Way to allow people to succeed regardless of their race or gender, but I think that there's a point at which women and blacks have succeeded enough", do you think maybe there might have been a bit of uproar?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
bsphil wrote:
Right. What he didn't say was, "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money, and I'm going to, by executive order, put salary caps on all wall street employees."
It's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen.
Really? They already pushed for a limited version.
Since I keep asking this, and everyone keeps ignoring it: What do you think was the purpose of putting that line in his speech? If it's not supposed to be taken as any sort of policy position, nor something which his administration is considering or would even like to see enforced in some way, then why on earth say it?
Why?
Edited, Apr 30th 2010 7:12pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Right. What he didn't say was, "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money, and I'm going to, by executive order, put salary caps on all wall street employees."
It's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen.
Really? They already pushed for a limited version.
Kind of reminds me of when you're a kid, and you spend all your allowance, and you ask your parents for an advance on next weeks... they say yes, but with conditions.
#91gbaji,
Posted: Apr 30 2010 at 8:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's not the point. The point is that there exists an active perception among those in the Obama administration that executive pay is too high and it would be a good thing to reduce it. How they go about imposing that is irrelevant. What does matter is the fact that this is clearly more than just an idle opinion, and is in fact something that the president and many on his staff would like to see become reality.
gbaji wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
From this thread, I have learned that once you become president, you are no longer allowed to have your own opinions on things without creating legislation that turns those opinions into law.
When you are a public official, your opinions influence public policy. It's kinda relevant to know that the president of the US does not agree with the "American Way" when it comes to wealth and property.
Yeah... much like Varus, you seem to have missed completely what the President actually said. It was quite obvious that no policy will be put into play by his opinion.
gbaji wrote:
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Who knew?
Are you just playing here? Are you actually surprised that the statements of a politician might just be taken seriously? If Bush had said something like "I know it's the American Way to allow people to succeed regardless of their race or gender, but I think that there's a point at which women and blacks have succeeded enough", do you think maybe there might have been a bit of uproar?
Do you honestly not see the difference between a president singling out women and blacks, and a president who simply said "you" in the general sense...? Of course there would've been an uproar to the statement you presented. But not because it would be assumed that policy would be put into effect.
I know you're not this moronic. Though you test that knowledge daily, lately.
To answer Varus's original question: I personally think the point that an executive is making too much money is reached whereupon a CEO's salary is greater than the combined earnings of everyone below him. At that point, the CEO has too much money.
Thus, there is no dollar figure we can give you for what point someone has "too much money" - just a floating theoretical value. But, for example, if a CEO is pulling in five mil a year, and everyone below him in the company for the next 100 levels or so doesn't make a combined 5 mil, he's making too much money.
That isn't even me being a liberal; that'd be my argument if I was on the board of such a business and reviewing the executive compensation scheme of the company. What makes one MBA that much better than all the other MBAs that report to him?
Thus, there is no dollar figure we can give you for what point someone has "too much money" - just a floating theoretical value. But, for example, if a CEO is pulling in five mil a year, and everyone below him in the company for the next 100 levels or so doesn't make a combined 5 mil, he's making too much money.
That isn't even me being a liberal; that'd be my argument if I was on the board of such a business and reviewing the executive compensation scheme of the company. What makes one MBA that much better than all the other MBAs that report to him?
gbaji wrote:
That's not the point. The point is that there exists an active perception among those in the Obama administration that executive pay is too high and it would be a good thing to reduce it. How they go about imposing that is irrelevant. What does matter is the fact that this is clearly more than just an idle opinion, and is in fact something that the president and many on his staff would like to see become reality.
A CEO who makes, and I'm just throwing out a random figure here, 10 million in compensation before being terminated because his company is failing is not earning the money. He's playing the system. There's a difference between the two, not that I'd expect you to get that.
BrownDuck wrote:
A CEO who makes, and I'm just throwing out a random figure here, 10 million in compensation before being terminated because his company is failing is not earning the money. He's playing the system. There's a difference between the two, not that I'd expect you to get that.
A CEO who makes that kind of money got a corporate board to give him a contract worth that much. I still fail to see the problem. If a winger signs a contract for millions of dollars then fails to score a single goal in a season the team still has to honor the contract. The company wanted that CEO, the team wanted that winger. They had to decide how much they were willing to pay and the talent had to decide how much, and under what terms, they were willing to accept. No one put a gun to the head of the board members and made them offer the huge contracts. If the CEO shows up to work every day and fulfills the terms of his contract, he's absolutely earning his money.
Or you can be like Carly Fiorina and do such a bad job that they'll pay you to go away
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
If the CEO shows up to work every day and fulfills the terms of his contract, he's absolutely earning his money.
I wrote:
10 million in compensation before being terminated because his company is failing
See the difference...?
I don't think you understand how contracts work.
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I want to be a mega million CEO where I'm paid to fulfill the terms of my contract but can still run the company into the ground and walk away with all the money.
That's the American Dream!
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
BrownDuck wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
If the CEO shows up to work every day and fulfills the terms of his contract, he's absolutely earning his money.
I wrote:
10 million in compensation before being terminated because his company is failing
See the difference...?
Yeah, the difference is I'm articulate and you don't know what the f'uck you're talking about.
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