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#52 Apr 29 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Mazra,

You're wrong. I don't dislike Obama. It's his politics that p*ss me off.

Of course if you're part of the 50% of american people who don't pay federal taxes, unlike myself, then I can understand your infatuation with this fascist.


Wouldn't know. I'm part of the 100% of Danish people who pay 50% minimum taxes. What you seem to be worried about is what we call 'top tax rates', which basically means that the more you earn ($69,389+ annually here), the more you pay (+15% of that amount on top of regular taxes) in taxes. Been that way since 1987 for us.

How much are you guys paying in extra taxes after that $95,000 "limit"?
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#53 Apr 29 2010 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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oh and i'm single with no children and very little debt (outside of the house). Is there any wonder why I get p*ssed when self proclaimed academics tell me I earn to much and need to pay more in taxes. I made more last year but just about all of it went to the tax man. So why should I even consider raising my level of production? More money to be stolen from me...longer hours to pay the govn? I'm better off just cutting back the agency and focusing on the farm as a side so next year I only earn 50k with insurance but 20k with the side farm business, which my brother keeps trying to get me to sell the agency and work with him on the farm. If Obama doesn't stop this sh*t I will sell the agency and my employees will be with the rest of the unemployeed blaming me for their situation.


Does your office only contain 3-5 people, or is your business just wholly incompetent? Is your accountant spending it all on liquour? Are you not hedging correctly? I'm just really confused at why your net is so low. Also, you should build in enough autonomy that production increase =/= hideous hours worked.

And since you own a business you should really be able to work around those taxes that are apparently destroying your life.

I thought you were the one always complaining that Dems were the ones projecting their self created problems onto other people. Sheesh!
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#54 Apr 29 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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oh and i'm single with no children and very little debt (outside of the house). Is there any wonder why I get p*ssed when self proclaimed academics tell me I earn to much and need to pay more in taxes. I made more last year but just about all of it went to the tax man. So why should I even consider raising my level of production? More money to be stolen from me...longer hours to pay the govn? I'm better off just cutting back the agency and focusing on the farm as a side so next year I only earn 50k with insurance but 20k with the side farm business, which my brother keeps trying to get me to sell the agency and work with him on the farm. If Obama doesn't stop this sh*t I will sell the agency and my employees will be with the rest of the unemployeed blaming me for their situation.


Does your office only contain 3-5 people, or is your business just wholly incompetent? Is your accountant spending it all on liquour? Are you not hedging correctly? I'm just really confused at why your net is so low. Also, you should build in enough autonomy that production increase =/= hideous hours worked.


He's lying. He works under his dad. That's really the only way those numbers add up.
#55 Apr 29 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I just am curious, in the context of this thread and the current news, whether Debalic blames Goldman Sachs for subprime lending practices and "breaking the economy".


I'm not Debalic, and I don't hold Goldman Sachs solely responsible for the subprime lending disaster, but I do feel that the Wallstreet culture encourages, maybe even enforces an attitude of "make as much as you can, and @#%^ the rest". It makes no difference one way or the other if the person taking out a loan can't pay the loan back when all you're doing is packaging up that loan with a bunch of others and pawning it off on someone else.

Thank you, and Belkira, for taking up my points while I was out working.

Yes, in regards to G-S it was more of the breaking of the economy and betting on losses than the subprime fiasco, but they're both of the same kin. Manipulation of a market to rake in the profits for yourself while intentionally killing off the client base doesn't sit right for me. And with the subprime mortgage issue, there are plenty of examples of people perfectly capable of paying off their homes, or who were selling their homes, who suddenly found their asset value was halved or quartered.
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#56gbaji, Posted: Apr 29 2010 at 8:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes. He said this. And he also said "I do believe that at a certain point, you've made enough money". Those two statements appear to be contradictory in the context of Wall Street, don't they?
#57gbaji, Posted: Apr 29 2010 at 8:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Missed this earlier:
#58 Apr 29 2010 at 8:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless you have some other explanation for those two statements? I keep asking you this, and you just keep dancing around the issue.

There's no dancing, you're just not very bright.

He's giving a personal opinion about the acquisition of wealth ("I think there's only so much money you need") and then stating that his own opinion doesn't change the fact that you're allowed to have your own opinions on how much money you want to make.

I think there's only so many apples one guy needs to own before further apples are kind of ridiculous*. This doesn't mean I'm out to make sure you only ever own X many apples.

To make it any clearer, I'll need to use hand puppets so if you're still confused, buy yourself a plane ticket to Chicago.


*For most purposes, this number is between one and three at a time

Edited, Apr 29th 2010 9:55pm by Jophiel
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#59 Apr 29 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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To make it any clearer, I'll need to use hand puppets so if you're still confused, buy yourself a plane ticket to Chicago.


*waits patiently for a new thread to come next week describing the sock puppet experience and how three guys were taught basic comprehension and the attempt they made at paying with okra*
#60 Apr 29 2010 at 10:18 PM Rating: Good
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Varrus is going to be pissed when the financial reform bill passes, isn't he?

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As should anyone who doesn't have a childish view of the world and our economic system.


Tell that to the Republicans that vote for it, as I've got an informed view of the world & economics.
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#61 Apr 30 2010 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

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There's no dancing, you're just not very bright.


Yes yes we know everytime a liberal can't defend the actions of their politicians they revert to calling their opponents stupid. We get this.



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He's giving a personal opinion about the acquisition of wealth ("I think there's only so much money you need") and then stating that his own opinion doesn't change the fact that you're allowed to have your own opinions on how much money you want to make.


Well except for the fact that the president has the power to affect change based on his opinions and beliefs. Are you that naive to believe a president who doesn't value the right to own property, anyone who says that someone only needs so much doesn't value property, won't act on those beliefs?


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I think there's only so many apples one guy needs to own before further apples are kind of ridiculous*. This doesn't mean I'm out to make sure you only ever own X many apples


Poor analogy. Let me clean it up for you;

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I think there's only so many apples one guy needs to own before further apples are kind of ridiculous and i'm going to do everything in my power to see that those extra apples that guy doesn't need get distributed to people I think could use an extra apple or two.



#62 Apr 30 2010 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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3 in the office including myself. I have a receptionist/secretary as well as a sales associate.

Why do I need to hire 2 more people when just about everything extra I could earn would either go to pay their salary or the govn? Work longer and harder hours for not much more money or maintain my current level of activity for a little less money with insurance but more free time to focus on the garden (which is really an understatement as the planting area is 10 acres; not really big enough to call it a farm but to big to call a garden) which will turn a profit as well.

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Also, you should build in enough autonomy that production increase =/= hideous hours worked.


Easier said than done.



Barkingturtle,

How does it feel to be a complete idiot who bases his opinions of others on lies? I guess it makes your pathetic excuse of a life a bit easier to cope with if you think others have only achieved due to circumstances not available to yourself.



Edited, Apr 30th 2010 9:54am by knoxxsouthy
#63 Apr 30 2010 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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How does it feel to be a complete idiot who bases his opinions of others on lies?


Pot, meet kettle. Kettle? Pot.
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#64 Apr 30 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Rubber glue and all that.

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I think there's only so many apples one guy needs to own before further apples are kind of ridiculous and i'm going to do everything in my power to see that those extra apples that guy doesn't need get distributed to people I think could use an extra apple or two.

Huh. I suppose it is easier for you to ignore what he said and make up your own narrative. You already pulled a line out of context so why not go the extra step and build your own context around it!
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#66 Apr 30 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
From this thread, I have learned that once you become president, you are no longer allowed to have your own opinions on things without creating legislation that turns those opinions into law.

Who knew?
#67 Apr 30 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:

Yes yes we know everytime a liberal can't defend the actions of their politicians they revert to calling their opponents stupid. We get this.


Apparently not, as he completed explained what he meant right after. I think you like soundbites taken out of context. Hence, you know, this topic.

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Well except for the fact that the president has the power to affect change based on his opinions and beliefs. Are you that naive to believe a president who doesn't value the right to own property, anyone who says that someone only needs so much doesn't value property, won't act on those beliefs?


I think you're a ****, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual, but as president I wouldn't do something about it. And I hate black licorice, but as president I doubt I'd outlaw it. I find religious fundamentalists (especially Christians) abhorrent, but I'm not going to limit their freedom of speech. You can opinions about a lot of things and not act on them. Well, some people can at least. My friend is a devote Lutheran and admits that he holds other people to his standards, even if they don't believe what he believes. That's one of the reasons I dislike fervor in religion so much. But most rational people (and most people who will become the PotUS) will be able to separate those opinions from their jobs. Obama is one of them.
#68 Apr 30 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can opinions


Can you?

Perhaps you can't.
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#69 Apr 30 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

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Huh. I suppose it is easier for you to ignore what he said



Are you kidding? Obama said I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.

Why don't you stop ignoring this and actually address it rather than keeping on with the party line that what he said wasn't what he meant.

If Obama thinks there's a limit to what people should be able to earn and we know he has the power to affect this what in h*ll makes you think he won't? Most americans did not want, and still don't want, Obamacare yet because Obama thought it was the right thing to do based on his own personal beliefs he saw to it. Same exact situation here. If Obama thinks certain people are earning to much he's going to attack these people by taking control of the industry. He's done it with the mortgage and auto industry and now he's doing it with wall street.

If your head wasn't so far up Obama's as* you'd see it to.



#70 Apr 30 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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But most rational people (and most people who will become the PotUS) will be able to separate those opinions from their jobs.


God you're a f*cking idiot. Most people who have opinions generally base their actions on those opinions. We can only hope those opinions were formed based on factual information.


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Obama is one of them.


One of what? Every single opinion Obama has had he's acted on.
#71 Apr 30 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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From this thread, I have learned that once you become president, you are no longer allowed to have your own opinions on things without creating legislation that turns those opinions into law.

Who knew?


I did. /smug
#72 Apr 30 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Are you kidding? Obama said I do think at a certain point you've made enough money.

Why don't you stop ignoring this and actually address it rather than keeping on with the party line that what he said wasn't what he meant.

Why don't you stop ignoring everything else he said rather than keeping with the party line of cherry-picking one sentence out of context and pretending to be all a-fluster about it?

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If Obama thinks there's a limit to what people should be able to earn...

He doesn't. He explicitly said as much -- he believes the American way is to allow you to earn as much as you want.

You seem to want me to engage in a debate over a single line picked out of context. I'm sorry but I'm not really interested in doing so. I guess that, if you didn't realize that the rest of it blows your argument away, you wouldn't be insisting so hard that we do so either.
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#73 Apr 30 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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He doesn't. He explicitly said as much -- he believes the American way is to allow you to earn as much as you want.


Actually he explicitly said "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money".

He doesn't believe that. You may believe it but everything Obama has said and done is in direct conflict with.

Obama quoted from 2001;

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One of the, I think, the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.


Now you're telling me someone who thinks this way won't act on their beliefs? All Obama cares about is his own sense of "fairness" that's it. Concepts like freedom and property rights come a distant second to Obama enacting his own particular brand of fairness.







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Quote the rest of that interview, Varus.

Oh course you won't.
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Actually he explicitly said "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money".

He doesn't believe that.

Well, if you say so. Heh.
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#76 Apr 30 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
Let's try this, Varus.

You wrote:
If Obama thinks there's a limit to what people should be able to earn...


Joph wrote:
He doesn't. He explicitly said as much -- he believes the American way is to allow you to earn as much as you want.


You wrote:
Actually he explicitly said "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money".


Since you're obviously unwilling or incapable of deciphering the difference, let me summarize in plain English.

1. Yes, Obama believes there's a certain point where you really don't need any more money
2. No, Obama does not believe it's the government's place to dictate that value.

See the difference? No? Of course not. Had to try anyway though, ya know?
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