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#27 Apr 27 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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It's the usual response I get. Someday I should ask Kao for a list of the top 5 offenders.


I only karma camp gbaji and varus. Just so satisfying to see their ratings go to sub-default...

Plus, they always deserve the red arrow. So I'm not doing anything wrong. :D
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#28 Apr 27 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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You're just trying to prove that his skepticism is somehow raging out of hand so he's intentionally trying to cloud issues, which clearly isn't the case.

And yet, no, not really. This entire discussion is an over-reaction to a comment I made to someone with whom my conversation is concluded by people who obviously more staunchly support eliminating religious reference from a story on a religious subject. My original supposition, proven true, was merely an observation. You people have blown it out of proportion.
#29 Apr 27 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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It's the usual response I get. Someday I should ask Kao for a list of the top 5 offenders.


I only karma camp gbaji and varus. Just so satisfying to see their ratings go to sub-default...

Plus, they always deserve the red arrow. So I'm not doing anything wrong. :D

I have a general rule of no Karma ********* I don't care what mine is.

I am both amused and irritated, however, at people who will simply rate all of my posts in a thread, regardless of content, and not sack up and chime in with an opinion of their own. I want to have the conversation and some people who post (or don't...) here are diminutive puss'ies when it comes to engaging.
#30 Apr 27 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.


I found the ark once too. It was high up a Himalayan mountain, and contained several compartments, wooden beams and piles of animal pooh.

I stayed the night there in fact! It was warm, dry and reasonably comfortable once you got used to the smell.

Unfortunately we were awoken at 6am. by a nervous shepherd who wanted to know why 4 hippies were crashed out in his barn, and did we have some rupees for him. True story.

And. Serious question.

If the Ark came to rest 11000 feet up a mountain, it follows that the waters were at least 11000 feet deeper than they are now. All over the world.

Wheres all the water gone?
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#31 Apr 27 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the Ark came to rest 11000 feet up a mountain, it follows that the waters were at least 11000 feet deeper than they are now. All over the world.

Wheres all the water gone?


Global warming, duh.
#32 Apr 27 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Global warming, duh.


Just in case you're being serious....

You want to try and explain that?
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#33 Apr 27 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Uh...the whole thing is a religious reference. I think you are paranoid, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Actually, it isn't. It's a story relating to a religious topic. Nuance is a *****.


Distinction without a difference.

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Go back and read the original post. Nothing in the article which he could conceivably cut out contradicts his only premise which was that Panda Lee is an awesome name.

Again, I think you woke up on the side of the bed your brain chose to vacate today. His only comment was that Panda Lee is an awesome name. That doesn't even begin to suggest that it was the sole premise of the post.


Re-read the initial post. We can look at his later posts and discern an agenda, but I find the initial post un-biased. I could argue that if he *had* included the last two paragraphs of the story, it would lessen the impact because they invoke magical realism to back up apparently factual events - not a winning combination for many of us.

I might read the article, sans last two paragraphs as: well, there is this ancient story about an ark. Turns out, it may well have a basis in fact.

But including the final two paragraphs it becomes more like: GOD SAYS THERE WAS AN ARK. WE JUST FOUND IT.

Which I don't believe for an instant. Thus I could omit the final two paragraphs to make this a more lively discussion, doing what I think will include more nonbelievers.
#34 Apr 27 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:


Global warming, duh.


Just in case you're being serious....

You want to try and explain that?


I'm not being serious. Sorry. Smiley: smile
#35 Apr 27 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
paulsol wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:


Global warming, duh.


Just in case you're being serious....

You want to try and explain that?


Historically, there were apparently on the order of 400m shifts in sea level which is about 1200 feet - only 10% of what is needed for this effect.
#36 Apr 27 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Wheres all the water gone?


Ever wondered where Saturn's rings come from?
#37 Apr 27 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:


I'm not being serious. Sorry. Smiley: smile


Thought not /smile back.

It just strikes me as a giant gaping hole in the story. If I was an evangelical lolscientist, I'd have to have a pretty significant blind spot to not ask myself where exactly all that water went.

And the article says:

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The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.


So, because no one has found evidence of human settlement above 11000 feet before in that area, then the next most obvious answer must be that the wooden bits and pieces they have found are left over from a 6000year old giant ship full of animals that washed up on the mountain top.

Perhaps they havn't heard of Occams razor in Evangelical China yet....
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#38 Apr 27 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wheres all the water gone?


Ever wondered where Saturn's rings come from?


Uranus?
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#39 Apr 27 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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Wheres all the water gone?
Ever wondered where Saturn's rings come from?
Uranus?

NOYOUSHUTUP!
#40 Apr 27 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps they havn't heard of Occams razor in Evangelical China yet....
They manufactured some there but they don't really work too well
#41 Apr 27 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps they havn't heard of Occams razor in Evangelical China yet....
They manufactured some there but they don't really work too well

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#42 Apr 27 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
It just strikes me as a giant gaping hole in the story. If I was an evangelical lolscientist, I'd have to have a pretty significant blind spot to not ask myself where exactly all that water went.
Well the same types of people also believe that the Earth used to be surrounded by a canopy of water that completely surrounded the planet in the stratosphere.

EDIT: Fix'd.

Edited, Apr 27th 2010 4:43pm by bsphil
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#43 Apr 27 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
If the Ark came to rest 11000 feet up a mountain, it follows that the waters were at least 11000 feet deeper than they are now. All over the world.


Yeah. While various flood plain events and a reversal/spillover into the Black Sea can absolutely account for the Great Flood myth, none of that explains how a boat could end up at a point higher than any of those events could cover with water. While it's certainly possible that some guy did build an Ark at some point, and loaded up all his farm animals (perhaps one male and one female of each so as to rebuild his stock), and his name could even have been Noah, I suspect that the story has been exaggerated a bit over time...
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#44 Apr 27 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
Well, geologic hotspots can cause an upthrust in the crust, so that places that are at sea level today could be the Rocky Mountains in another ten million years.

Doubtful that happened in 4800 years on Mt Arrarat.

In theory, a big enough tsunami could shove a boat a bit further than it could have gone normally, accounting for a few hundred feet of that.
#45 Apr 27 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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My favorite theory about floods and the skies falling and all that end of the world stuff is the one put forward in Graham Hancocks books.

Fingerprints of the Gods is an ace read, and I fully reccomend it to anyone who isn't an evangelical lolscientist..
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#46 Apr 27 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
paulsol wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
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Wheres all the water gone?
Ever wondered where Saturn's rings come from?
Uranus?

NOYOUSHUTUP!


Who ever rated this post down needs to be shot in the face with a bazooka.


Oh, and there's no such thing as Noah's Ark. There. I contributed.
#47 Apr 27 2010 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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#48 Apr 27 2010 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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We must have had some server issues earlier. There is some wierd karma **** going on in this thread. People being rated theoretically before they posted, etc.
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#49 Apr 27 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
Excellent, everything is preceding* according to plan...

*The only drawback to shattering causality is the tense confusion.
#50 Apr 27 2010 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Excellent, everything is preceding* according to plan...

*The only drawback to shattering causality is the tense confusion.


The timetraveler thought he was tense upon discovering his time machine surrounded by angry dinosaurs, but when one suddenly appeared behind him, he discovered he was way past tense!
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#51 Apr 27 2010 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Excellent, everything is preceding* according to plan...

*The only drawback to shattering causality is the tense confusion.


The timetraveler thought he was tense upon discovering his time machine surrounded by angry dinosaurs, but when one suddenly appeared behind him, he discovered he was way past tense!


Please, let me rate you down just for today. I promise I'll only do it once. Srsly.
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