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It makes perfect sense to me, Brownduck. I'm sorry that my opinion, based on what I've seen and read in my own community, doesn't jive with yours. Not my problem.

Not every Hispanic is breaking the law simply by virtue of their being in Arizona. However, this law treats every Hispanic the same by essentially requiring them to carry documentation with them at all times 'lest they be questioned.

Hey, that's what equal protection under the law is all about, pal.

The law only requires proof of immigration status if they are "reasonably suspicious". Common sense would dictate that a woman in a grocery store in Phoenix is far less likely to be questioned on her immigration status than a mid-20s male loitering on the street in say, Nogales. I'm not saying it's perfect, but hardly seems to be as bad as you make it out to be, either.

Seems to me that decriminalizing drugs would obviate a lot of the perceived immigration problems. Much of the crime has more to do with drug-related smuggling and drug gang rivalry than with national origin.

...Yes?

Is that a trick question?

Odd, Joph never said anything in this conversation about deportation.

Which is a meaningless statement if ever there was one.

I am always amazed at your willingness to accept socialist policies given your pervasive display of cynicism regarding the government and its agencies.

Realism is unhealthy? Stricter gun laws work? Interesting.

Spending billions of dollars trying to put toothpaste back in the tube is far more unhealthy, in my opinion. Tasking law enforcement with an impossible mandate is a recipe for disaster on many, many levels.

My point about the whole thread was and is that immigration has been a big hot-button issue because of crime (setting aside the crime of illegally entering the country in the first place). So, take the candy away from the baby. Undercut the drug trade, remove its profitability, and immigrant-associated crime goes back down.

Take away the crime factor and we're left with the pre-1980s immigrant debate, which is one side saying "they terk er jerbs!" and the other side saying they'll go broke without immigrant labor.

To a degree, yes. It's true that some people will still obtain guns and use them for malicious purposes, but they do curb casual ownership by people who probably shouldn't own a gun.

It's the difference between building a fence to keep the wolves away vs leaving the barn door open. The former may not stop all of them, but to say it's pointless is kind of absurd.



Beggin' your pardon, but they can do that remotely these days. See: India, China, and yes, even Mexico.

Edited, Apr 14th 2010 12:27pm by BrownDuck

I think more legislation like it needs to happen. When lots of people can't find jobs these days and lots of Illegals are working. Its just bad all around. Your neighbrohood kid can't even get grass cutting jobs because Illegals have the market taken.