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#27 Apr 13 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100412/480/urn_publicid_ap_org52d493edeb0243ef84cbfc87f58f4b6a/


Are there any leaders this president hasn't bowed to?



Edited, Apr 13th 2010 1:53pm by knoxxsouthy
lol

Were you forced to bow for it as a child?
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#28 Apr 13 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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Here I thought this was a necrobump. But I looked at the date and saw April 13th.

The world didn't end the last times it happened, why is it so EarthAmerica-Shattering now?
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#29 Apr 13 2010 at 11:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world outside of America. We're dumbstruck how much hate there is in America for him, and how on Earth anyone has managed to blame Obama for the economic woes America is in right now, in the wake of the Global Financial Crisis. It doesn't matter what your skill as a player is if you are dealt an utterly crap hand. You aren't going to win it, and you can't be blamed for having it.

Obama comes across as intelligent and caring. He speaks well, he's full of ideas. He's intellectual, but he's not up his own **** or lost in his own head. He doesn't speak down to people. From the outside, he looks like he'll go down in history as one of the greatest statesmen the US had, along with all your other great men and women of politics and public life. Whatever the population thinks of him now, the video and documents left behind of him will come across really well to future generations.

Except for the 22-pen signature. That's bemusing.
#30 Apr 14 2010 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
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You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world


I'm glad you said 'most'.
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#31 Apr 14 2010 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world


I'm glad you said 'most'.

My English teacher said it was safest to qualify [almost!] everything you said. Smiley: tongue
#32 Apr 14 2010 at 5:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm so glad we're discussing this again.


This. Good lord, Varus, get a life.
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#34 Apr 14 2010 at 6:31 AM Rating: Default
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You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world outside of America.

I think what's missed by "most of the rest of the world" is that we don't give a flying f'uck what you think of us or our president. Most of us find the rest of the U.N. loving world to be ingrates. No one with an ounce of comprehension in this country is blaming the President for the economic woes in America right now. What we can see our way clear to blame him for is the ineffective plan he has put in place, the self-destructive focus he has on governing against the will of the people and his practice of taking over private industry in favor of government solutions to problems.

He comes across as elitist and arrogant, he speaks duplicitously and recycles ideas that have failed countless times in the course of human history, his is an intellectual attempting to force his university theories on a country without having a single shred of practical experience in running anything as large as a local fast food franchise.

The rest of the world may see him as something more palatable than his recent predecessors, but history will bear him out as the ineffectual ideologue that he proves himself on a daily basis to be.
#35 Apr 14 2010 at 6:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world


I'm glad you said 'most'.
You won't like an American President until he lets Palestine jerk off in his face and he anally rapes Israel.
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#36 Apr 14 2010 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't even believe that this is a big enough event to qualify for the creation of a thread. He's bowing, so?
#37 Apr 14 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't even believe that this is a big enough event to qualify for the creation of a thread. He's bowing, so?

You must be new here. Shut up while you can, there's grown folks making fun of Varus.
#38 Apr 14 2010 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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I think what's missed by "most of the rest of the world" is that we don't give a flying f'uck what you think of us or our president. Most of us find the rest of the U.N. loving world to be ingrates.


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#39 Apr 14 2010 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
No one with an ounce of comprehension in this country is blaming the President for the economic woes in America right now.


Key part. Note that a good portion of America has less than an ounce of comprehension. I blame it on the fact that we should be using the metric system, because very few people bother to remember how large an ounce really is or how it converts.
#40 Apr 14 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
No one with an ounce of comprehension in this country is blaming the President for the economic woes in America right now.


Key part. Note that a good portion of America has less than an ounce of comprehension. I blame it on the fact that we should be using the metric system, because very few people bother to remember how large an ounce really is or how it converts.

Socialist U.N. plot to further secure world power in the highlands of norther Europe. Bah and fie on you.

Besides, it's easier to say an ounce than 29.6 ml.
#41 Apr 14 2010 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't even believe that this is a big enough event to qualify for the creation of a thread. He's bowing, so?
It's varus, what do you expect? A thread that actually makes sense and isn't a lame attempt to insult Obama?

I think varus could take a page from Obama's book about respecting others. Then again, he'd probably implode if he does.
#42 Apr 14 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world outside of America.


No surprise here. I love it when competitors raise their rates; makes my job easier.



Moebius,

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You must be new here. Shut up while you can, there's grown folks making fun of Varus.


Serious business.

#43 Apr 14 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Default
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Aripyanfar wrote:
You guys totally don't get how popular Obama is to most of the rest of the world outside of America.


He's popular in Europe for two reasons:

1. He's black and they secretly and shamefully know that they wouldn't elect a black person to a similar position.

2. He's as far left as anyone in the US gets.


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We're dumbstruck how much hate there is in America for him, and how on Earth anyone has managed to blame Obama for the economic woes America is in right now, in the wake of the Global Financial Crisis.


There was vastly more of what I'd call "hate" towards Bush. What you're seeing is disagreement with his polices and actions and a whole lot of crying wolf about how this somehow equates to "hate speech". I've yet to hear someone on a right wing radio show here in the US (including callers!) say anything half as hateful as the kinds of things said almost every single day by the actual hosts of many liberal talk shows on the radio towards Bush when he was president.

Also, no one blames Obama for getting us into the current economic mess (although some like myself do place a fair share of blame on Democrat actions and polices over the last decade). What people blame Obama for is the horrifically bad choices he's made in response to said economic problems. They're blaming him for the certain economic problems which will come as a result of those choices. For the most part, we'd be in exactly the same economic spot today whether a single one of Obama's various stimulus initiatives had been passed. However, we'd be a lot less in debt if we hadn't. The cost in the long run for the "fix" to our economy will almost certainly end out being worse than the short term economic benefits.

That's what people blame him for. We're going to be paying off this bill for decades. It would have been better to just take a big hit today and then recover naturally...


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Obama comes across as intelligent and caring. He speaks well, he's full of ideas.


I disagree. He comes across as someone of average intelligence at best, who's skilled at appearing to be smarter than he is. Not that this isn't a good trait for a President, mind you, but I doubt seriously if he has had a single original idea himself at any point in his professional life. He's not "full of ideas" at all. He's surrounded by advisers, just like every other president, and has largely had his career mapped out for him by others, not by himself. That's not uncommon for politicians, but let's not pretend that he's somehow different. He just has more people wanting very hard to believe that he is.


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From the outside, he looks like he'll go down in history as one of the greatest statesmen the US had, along with all your other great men and women of politics and public life.


I suspect his biggest accomplishment will be having been elected while black. Honestly. His administration itself will most likely be viewed as just slightly less competent than that of Jimmy Carter's.
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#44 Apr 14 2010 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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2. He's as far left as anyone in the US gets.
What an absurd statement. You realize there are genuine socialists in the country, right? And that Obama is no where near an actual socialist?
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2. He's as far left as anyone in the US gets.
What an absurd statement. You realize there are genuine socialists in the country, right? And that Obama is no where near an actual socialist?


Sigh. You know... When I wrote that point, I considered adding something like "with a chance of obtaining high office", but figured that it wasn't necessary since I was already talking about his significance as President. Thanks for shattering my faith in humanity! :(
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#46 Apr 14 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
gbaji wrote:
2. He's as far left as anyone in the US gets.
What an absurd statement. You realize there are genuine socialists in the country, right? And that Obama is no where near an actual socialist?


Sigh. You know... When I wrote that point, I considered adding something like "with a chance of obtaining high office", but figured that it wasn't necessary since I was already talking about his significance as President. Thanks for shattering my faith in humanity! :(

Sigh. You know... When participating in conversations like this, you might want to occasionally say what you mean, instead of writing down some random bullshit then expecting everyone to infer your actual crackhead ideas.
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#47 Apr 15 2010 at 4:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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I disagree. He comes across as someone of average intelligence at best, who's skilled at appearing to be smarter than he is. Not that this isn't a good trait for a President, mind you, but I doubt seriously if he has had a single original idea himself at any point in his professional life. He's not "full of ideas" at all. He's surrounded by advisers, just like every other president, and has largely had his career mapped out for him by others, not by himself. That's not uncommon for politicians, but let's not pretend that he's somehow different. He just has more people wanting very hard to believe that he is.


That actually sounds a lot more like GWB, except for the "skilled at appearing to be smarter than he is" part.

I'm sorry, you don't get into Harvard while being poor and black without being sharp as a tack. You cannot simultaneously be an elitist, ivory-tower intellectual and be only of "average" intelligence.
#48 Apr 15 2010 at 6:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sigh. You know... When I wrote that point, I considered adding something like "with a chance of obtaining high office", but figured that it wasn't necessary since I was already talking about his significance as President. Thanks for shattering my faith in humanity! :(

Further left than Senator Feingold? Or if you insist on keeping it about presidents, Wilson was easily further left. Franklin Roosevelt as well. Others, but I'm going for the low-hanging fruit.

Somehow I have the feeling that Gbaji's going to keep narrowing the field to "He's the furthest left that any black guy who is president right now can get..."

If the argument is purely that someone more left couldn't get elected right now, I might agree -- not that it proves anything besides that we wouldn't elect someone deeper in than left-moderate. It's like saying you shouldn't stand in that inch deep puddle because it's the deepest body of water you can find right now (excluding all bodies of water not immediately on your driveway) and so you might drown.

Edited, Apr 15th 2010 7:17am by Jophiel
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I disagree. He comes across as someone of average intelligence at best, who's skilled at appearing to be smarter than he is. Not that this isn't a good trait for a President, mind you, but I doubt seriously if he has had a single original idea himself at any point in his professional life.[...]
That actually sounds a lot more like GWB, except for the "skilled at appearing to be smarter than he is" part.

I'm sorry, you don't get into Harvard while being poor and black without being sharp as a tack. You cannot simultaneously be an elitist, ivory-tower intellectual and be only of "average" intelligence.

Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who likes to brag about how smart he is because "he once wrote a paper in school school that the teacher thought was really good -- but he never read the book!" and other Tales Of Astounding Genius.
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#50 Apr 15 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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we'd be in exactly the same economic spot today whether a single one of Obama's various stimulus initiatives had been passed


Ya know, you pubbies seemed to have selective amnesia. Dubya also passed a $700 Billion stimulus package...

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Besides, that's almost certainly not true. The largest immediate recipients of stimulus money were state governments who used it to avoid a large number of teacher, police and other state service layoffs. Ignoring any other projects, there was a notable retention of jobs in those areas.

Unfortunately, where it's been slow has been in producing new jobs. States played pretty fast and loose with their definitions of "shovel ready" and a lot of these projects are still bogged down in planning and bidding phases.
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