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#77 Apr 13 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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baelnic wrote:
It was a bargaining chip for the insurance industry. Why do you think this mandate is going to hurt the private sector? It's going to give them millions of new customers and give them billions in new profits.


I never said it would. It will hurt the new customers though. And it infringes their rights along the way.

It doesn't hurt th4e private sector financially, but it does create yet another entanglement. A market isn't free if the costs and demand for products in that market are artificially manipulated by a government. The more we do that, the less free that market becomes. I would rather that the cost for medical care be based on its relative rarity and value on the market, then based on the result of insurance companies gaming the government's regulations. Where we get corruption in these sorts of things is when the government introduces these sorts of artificial market forces. This is something I've talked about before. In a relatively free market, the players in that market make the most profit by finding ways to bring the best product to market for the lowest price. In a government controlled market, the players in said market make the most profit by figuring out how to manipulate the government regulations to their benefit, which often results in lower quality products at a higher price.


That's why it's bad for everyone in the long run.
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#78 Apr 13 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I'm pretty sure I understand it better than you Joph.

I'm absolutely sure this is false.

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How about you try to explain why someone who did not qualify for medicare/medicaid prior to this bill but who does now, would continue to pay into a private health insurance plan?

There are people out there now who qualify for Medicaid who still have private insurance. Whatever reasons they have will carry over into the extended pool, however deep or shallow that pool may be. Crazy talk, I know.

How about you tell me how many people paying for private insurance now will qualify for Medicaid under the legislation? Then we can decide how significant that number is.

The new levels to qualify for Medicaid will be a single person making no more than $14,400 a year or a family of four making no more than $29,000 per year. The simple answer is that people who will qualify for Medicaid largely don't pay into private insurance now. Only 15% of people making less than 100% of the poverty level ($10,830 single, $22,050 f/4) and 26% of people making 100-125% of the federal poverty level currently have any sort of private insurance as is.

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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#79 Apr 13 2010 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Funny that you never mentioned this when arguing about private insurers denying care as a reason why we should shift to government care...

Private sector insurance companies aren't denying care based on snafus with other departments.
That's because they don't have "death panels" deciding who gets care. ;)
No, they are far more streamlined and purposeful when it comes to denying care.
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Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
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