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#52ThiefX, Posted: Apr 08 2010 at 11:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Funny because everytime you speak I can believe your that stupid.
#53 Apr 08 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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He's that stupid... what?

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#54 Apr 08 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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He's that stupid... what?


You know, that stupid. As opposed to the other stupid.
#55 Apr 08 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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As it is, we got $9,000 back this year because of the first time home buyer credit. We pulled a foreclosed house off the market, gave our local Home Depot enough business to put them in the black for the month (seriously, we were the talk of the store), and got a massive housing upgrade in the process.


Thank you for recomending trickle down economics :-) Regan would be proud.


Every time you speak, the only response that comes to mind is "You can't really be that stupid". It's a rhetorical statement, I know.
This particular quote is an exceptional example though. It's rare someone gets it that wrong.
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#56 Apr 08 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ah yes the liberal myth of the evil corporation who cheats and doesn't pay their taxes.

Did it ever occur to you that writing off business expenses is perfectly legal? That for every expenses they write off they are hit with and equal amount of taxes they cannot?


You mean like how Microsoft pays $0 total in taxes, because their Adjusted Taxable Income is a negative value? Or that in Nevada, there is no licensing fee, so by basing licensing operations out of it they have no tax liability for those operations? Damn, those are cool myths.

It's not like they are a major company, nor are there other companies that do similar shenanigans.
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#57 Apr 08 2010 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since nobody addressed this, it's the same here in the States, Ari. As a matter of fact, the number of things that businesses try to write off is often very, very long, and doesn't always make a whole lot of sense. But so long as they aren't audited, they'll get away with it.


Ah yes the liberal myth of the evil corporation who cheats and doesn't pay their taxes.

Did it ever occur to you that writing off business expenses is perfectly legal? That for every expenses they write off they are hit with and equal amount of taxes they cannot?


Sorry, chum. When I see our rich clients trying to write off tampons and bubble gum simply because they spent a week in LA to have a one hour meeting at the record company, it's a little difficult to see all of the things written off as completely legit. Does that make our clients evil? No. It makes them want to hold on to as much of their money as they can, which I can understand.

But thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.
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As it is, we got $9,000 back this year because of the first time home buyer credit. We pulled a foreclosed house off the market, gave our local Home Depot enough business to put them in the black for the month (seriously, we were the talk of the store), and got a massive housing upgrade in the process.
Thank you for recomending trickle down economics :-) Regan would be proud.

Trickle Down Economics is when the gummint gets 75% of its income tax revenue from people making over $366k, give the po' people making a lot less a big check and then they go to Home Depot?

Ok, then! Go go Reaganauts!

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 12:57pm by Jophiel
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#59 Apr 08 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Ah yes the liberal myth of the evil corporation who cheats and doesn't pay their taxes.

Did it ever occur to you that writing off business expenses is perfectly legal? That for every expenses they write off they are hit with and equal amount of taxes they cannot?


You mean like how Microsoft pays $0 total in taxes, because their Adjusted Taxable Income is a negative value? Or that in Nevada, there is no licensing fee, so by basing licensing operations out of it they have no tax liability for those operations? Damn, those are cool myths.

It's not like they are a major company, nor are there other companies that do similar shenanigans.


They're partly the same myth, of course. Well, I mean, they're not because they're not myths, but Microsoft does dodge taxes on its royalty income by basing itself in Nevada. Many of these techniques are of highly questionable legality, some are genuine loopholes. The distinction seems to be largely academic, though, as they're not pursued aggressively in most cases.

Is Microsoft evil? Well, it goes out of its way to subvert democracy and use its influence to push through legislation that shifts its costs onto others and reduces its tax contributions at the expense of small business. You could call that evil, I suppose. On the other side, it barely ever murders anyone, so it's sitting pretty for an international company.

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My point is that while the trucks do more damage to our highways, as Allegory pointed out, they pay a hell of alot more for the repairs also.

I guess I'm having trouble discerning whether you're agreeing with my point or believe you're contending it. From my perspective that seems appropriate. If you buy one candy bar and I buy ten, then I'm going to pay ten times the sales tax--which is proportionally equal to our use--and that seems perfectly appropriate to me.


But to follow this analogy, it would be unfair for you to pay 20 times as much in sales tax. Which is more like what is going on. The assumption being that since you can afford to buy 10 candy bars, while I can only afford 1, you should pay more per bar in taxes.

We all know why that system is in place, and there are positive and negative aspects to it. But it would be nice just once if those on the left would acknowledge that a whole lot of stuff they get in life is subsidized by other people paying more than their "fair share" to make up the difference...
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#61 Apr 08 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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My point is that while the trucks do more damage to our highways, as Allegory pointed out, they pay a hell of alot more for the repairs also.

I guess I'm having trouble discerning whether you're agreeing with my point or believe you're contending it. From my perspective that seems appropriate. If you buy one candy bar and I buy ten, then I'm going to pay ten times the sales tax--which is proportionally equal to our use--and that seems perfectly appropriate to me.


But to follow this analogy, it would be unfair for you to pay 20 times as much in sales tax. Which is more like what is going on. The assumption being that since you can afford to buy 10 candy bars, while I can only afford 1, you should pay more per bar in taxes.

We all know why that system is in place, and there are positive and negative aspects to it. But it would be nice just once if those on the left would acknowledge that a whole lot of stuff they get in life is subsidized by other people paying more than their "fair share" to make up the difference...


Well, I think it'd be nice if you stopped being such a stupid, smug little cunt, but we can't always get what we want.

This is especially true of those of us that want an entire diverse and above all large group of people to do something.

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 8:08pm by Kavekk
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This is especially true of those of us that want an entire diverse and above all large group of people to do something.


Care to elaborate on this? Cause it sounded suspiciously like you saying that taxing the population to pay for government programs might have something to do with government control of the people. But I'm not quite sure...
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But it would be nice just once if those on the left would acknowledge that a whole lot of stuff they get in life is subsidized by other people paying more than their "fair share" to make up the difference...

Hrm? I've said a bunch of times that most people make a net "profit" in the things the government provides for (on all levels: roads, schools, public services, etc etc) versus what they pay in taxes. That goes for the stuff most people on both sides of the political aisle "get in life".

I hope it made you feel better to hear it said again.
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#64 Apr 08 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Hrm? I've said a bunch of times that most people make a net "profit" in the things the government provides for (on all levels: roads, schools, public services, etc etc) versus what they pay in taxes. That goes for the stuff most people on both sides of the political aisle "get in life".

I hope it made you feel better to hear it said again.


Silly Jophiel. You're suposed to say that Liberals on the whole get more in social programs than Conservatives, and that Conservatives are paying for Liberals to suck on the teat of the government. Duh.
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Jophiel wrote:
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But it would be nice just once if those on the left would acknowledge that a whole lot of stuff they get in life is subsidized by other people paying more than their "fair share" to make up the difference...

Hrm? I've said a bunch of times that most people make a net "profit" in the things the government provides for (on all levels: roads, schools, public services, etc etc) versus what they pay in taxes. That goes for the stuff most people on both sides of the political aisle "get in life".


Ok. But "most people" assumes that it's not "all people". Thus, someone is footing the bill, right? Some people are paying more than what they get back. And those "some people" are the very "evil rich" people that get constantly bashed by the left for the horrific crime of thinking that they're getting a bit of the shaft on this deal...

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I'll point out that you went out of you way to *not* say that the people who receive more than they pay owe some thanks to the people who receive less than they pay. So while I'm sure you do say what you just posted, it's not what I was talking about. I'm quite certain you have never once on this forum expressed the opinion that we should be a bit easier on the rich because they already pay so much more of the tax burden relative to what they receive.
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I'm unclear on exactly who's calling rich people evil, because I'm sure I haven't.
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Ok. But "most people" assumes that it's not "all people". Thus, someone is footing the bill, right?

Sure. When have I ever stated otherwise?

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And those "some people" are the very "evil rich" people that get constantly bashed by the left for the horrific crime of thinking that they're getting a bit of the shaft on this deal...

You'd have a hard time finding a cite of me bashing the rich. I'm sure someone has but I've got enough to do without answering for everyone else in the world.

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I'll point out...

So it didn't make you feel better? Smiley: frown

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...that you went out of you way to *not* say that the people who receive more than they pay owe some thanks to the people who receive less than they pay.

Of course. I thought it was obvious, but whatever.

Hey, did you know that red states get their government services completely due to blue states paying out more in taxes than they get back? It's true! Smiley: grin
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#68 Apr 08 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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This is especially true of those of us that want an entire diverse and above all large group of people to do something.


Care to elaborate on this? Cause it sounded suspiciously like you saying that taxing the population to pay for government programs might have something to do with government control of the people. But I'm not quite sure...


Depends what you mean by "government control". People have collectively decided that people should, collectively speaking, pay tax. In regards to them specifically paying tax they largely wouldn't if it was legal not to.
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...that you went out of you way to *not* say that the people who receive more than they pay owe some thanks to the people who receive less than they pay.

Of course. I thought it was obvious, but whatever.


So you responded to my post with something completely irrelevant and unrelated?

You know, when someone posts something like "Gee. It would be really nice if...", and someone responds to that with "But I do this...", one expects that the second poster is actually claiming to have done the thing referred to in the post he responded to. Apparently, you think that pointing out something unrelated is somehow sufficient, and I'm not sure why.

I'm just curious if you do the same thing when discussing other things as well (ie: not conservative leaning politics). So, a friend of your's states that it's sad that so many people go hungry in the world, and it would be nice if more people donated to food banks, and you respond by saying that you got your car tuned up last week? Is that how your conversations go? Or is it only on this board that you present such obtuse responses?
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So you responded to my post with something completely irrelevant and unrelated?

No, I responded by agreeing with your point that many/most/whatever people get more benefits than they pay in taxes but I didn't do so in a manner that allowed your marker-fumes addled brain to fully grasp (i.e. because others are paying more than they receive) without taking you by the hand and slowly walking you through it.

Or, more realistically, you just need something else to whine and cry about.

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 6:15pm by Jophiel
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So you responded to my post with something completely irrelevant and unrelated?

No, I responded by agreeing with your point that many/most/whatever people get more benefits than they pay in taxes ...


My post was about the fact that not enough people show appreciation for this fact. Your response side-stepped the whole thing, while attempting a "not me!" claim. Acknowledging that "most people" get more than they pay for, isn't the same as acknowledging *why* they get that.
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Ummm... ok?

I don't really care enough to argue with you in order to agree with you.
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gbaji wrote:
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So you responded to my post with something completely irrelevant and unrelated?

No, I responded by agreeing with your point that many/most/whatever people get more benefits than they pay in taxes ...


My post was about the fact that not enough people show appreciation for this fact.


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On my way to work tomorrow, I'll kiss the road in front of my house. I might buy it roses. Dinner is out of the question.


You could at least drive down to the Army base and **** a tank.
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On my way to work tomorrow, I'll kiss the road in front of my house. I might buy it roses. Dinner is out of the question.


You could at least drive down to the Army base and @#%^ a tank.


I would, but there's not one around here. Smiley: frown And when you drive onto the government property around here, they tend to shoot to kill.

Just can't have any fun...
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So you responded to my post with something completely irrelevant and unrelated?

No, I responded by agreeing with your point that many/most/whatever people get more benefits than they pay in taxes ...


My post was about the fact that not enough people show appreciation for this fact.


On my way to work tomorrow, I'll kiss the road in front of my house. I might buy it roses. Dinner is out of the question.


Appreciation to the people who pay more than their share, not to the things you get. That was my issue with Joph's response. He made it out to be just about acknowledging that most people get more than they pay for, and even managed to make the government out to be the one to be thanked, when my entire point was that it's kinda unfair that not only do "the rich" pay for that stuff, but then in thanks they get constantly bashed. I was thinking that it would be wonderful if liberals would actually stop hating rich people and maybe just once say "Yeah. We do owe a lot to the people who make the most money in our society".


I was just amused that whilst attempting to proclaim that he does this all the time, Joph managed to leave out any mention of the very people I was saying it would be nice to appreciate...
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