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What's so bad about slavery, anyway?
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That being said, I see no problem with a Confederacy History Month. If it is more about honouring the soldiers that died and the politicians that created the Confederacy, then it is a perfectly fine thing to do. It's not as though every single person in the CSA was or would have been pro-slavery. If they want to remember the glory days of slavery, well, I'll be the first to want to punch Governor McDonnell in the head for being a @#%^ing moron.
One thing I never quite got was why, by and large, soldiers are honored and lawyers are vilified.
Just as Planned.
Assassin Nadenu wrote:
It was also about "the way of life". You know, southern Belles, plantations, mint juleps and cotillions.
fiddle dee dee
fiddle dee dee
And what was that gracious life based on?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Timelordwho wrote:
One thing I never quite got was why, by and large, soldiers are honored and lawyers are vilified.
Soldiers shed blood for their country,
Lawyers suck blood for their wallets?
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Samira wrote:
Assassin Nadenu wrote:
It was also about "the way of life". You know, southern Belles, plantations, mint juleps and cotillions.
fiddle dee dee
fiddle dee dee
And what was that gracious life based on?
Assassin Nadenu wrote:
It was also about "the way of life". You know, southern Belles, plantations, mint juleps and cotillions.
Those mint juleps don't serve themselves
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
One thing I never quite got was why, by and large, soldiers are honored and lawyers are vilified.
Soldiers shed blood for their country,
Lawyers suck blood for their wallets?
They both fight people, for people, albeit one with pen the other with sword.
Just as Planned.
Timelordwho wrote:
They both fight people, for people, albeit one with pen the other with sword.
I wasn't alive in Civil War times (I'm not as old as Nobby). So I can't say for certain, but I was under the impression that the blood sucking lawyer was a modern stereotype. Fueled by the ones out there just to make a buck off of any litigation they can get their hands on, and get 200-300 dollars an hour from old people for just chit chatting on the phone with them about nothing in particular but making it sound important and impressing them.
And lawyer isn't the same as politician. So I'm not sure why you wanted to pick at the two, when the original quote was about the Soldiers and Politicians that did what they did to make history what it is.
Edited, Apr 7th 2010 9:59pm by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Geez, you guys hate lawyers and slavery? You must really loathe the American criminal justice system.
Am I gonna to have to start sticking smilies at the end of all my posts??
There's one for ya.
In the middle, even!
There's one for ya.
In the middle, even!
Follow-up:
"Oops. Forgot that part; I'll just pencil it in here on the margin."
"Oops. Forgot that part; I'll just pencil it in here on the margin."
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I voted the second.
There are lots of unrecognized, excavated, unglorified battlefields scattered throughout the south. Just last year they did an archeological excavation of the Battle of McNutt Creek, which was a very tiny skirmish that had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the war. But when they presented their findings, they had descendants of the soldiers who fought there on both sides of the war present.
As long as the Confederate History Month focuses on the whole war - then it can be a great educational opportunity.
But if it's just an excuse to rehash the War of Northern Aggression myth, then I say fie on the idea.
Saying the Civil War was only about states rights is the same as saying WWI was only about France trying to unite right wing and left wing factions, or that WWII was only about Germans getting pissed at high interest rates from Jewish-owned banks. Or, in more modern parlance, that the Iraq War was fought only to liberate the country from Saddham Hussein. It is one facet of an incredibly complex political mess, and sanitizes atrocities committed by human beings to one another.
There are lots of unrecognized, excavated, unglorified battlefields scattered throughout the south. Just last year they did an archeological excavation of the Battle of McNutt Creek, which was a very tiny skirmish that had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the war. But when they presented their findings, they had descendants of the soldiers who fought there on both sides of the war present.
As long as the Confederate History Month focuses on the whole war - then it can be a great educational opportunity.
But if it's just an excuse to rehash the War of Northern Aggression myth, then I say fie on the idea.
Saying the Civil War was only about states rights is the same as saying WWI was only about France trying to unite right wing and left wing factions, or that WWII was only about Germans getting pissed at high interest rates from Jewish-owned banks. Or, in more modern parlance, that the Iraq War was fought only to liberate the country from Saddham Hussein. It is one facet of an incredibly complex political mess, and sanitizes atrocities committed by human beings to one another.
Jophiel wrote:
Assassin Nadenu wrote:
It was also about "the way of life". You know, southern Belles, plantations, mint juleps and cotillions.
Those mint juleps don't serve themselves
A few years ago, an insurance agency had an open house because they moved into a new office. They were on Music Row in Nashville, and most of the "office buildings" on Music Row are really just old houses that have been redecorated and modernized to house offices.
They had a large pole tent set up over the parking lot, complete with a chandelier. They served an array of "Southern style" food, and had a small bar set up where you could get tea or mint juleps.
Almost every person who showed up to the party was white. Every single server was black.
It made me rather uneasy, and I was very happy when I was finally able to excuse myself and get out of there.
Edited, Apr 8th 2010 9:02am by Belkira
Debalic wrote:
Follow-up:
"Oops. Forgot that part; I'll just pencil it in here on the margin."
"Oops. Forgot that part; I'll just pencil it in here on the margin."
Haha... I liked that. After leaving it out and defending why he left it out to the Washington Post (i.e. it was no accident), he's all... "Oh, yeah! Slavery! Let me jot that in there..."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
teh article wrote:
Shawn Rider, in a review of Tony Horwitz's "Confederates in the Attic," writes that the age-old pull between the darker meaning of the Civil War's symbols and the affection Southerners have for their ancestors who fought and died in the Civil War is an enduring American condition.
True, but we tend to honor our ancestors no matter what they did. I honor the horse thief as much as the judge, and in fact find the sparse facts I know about him more interesting, if anything.
My grandmother had some Civil War artifacts - letters, homespun cloth, things like that. Things that were preserved by the women of the family.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
teh article wrote:
Shawn Rider, in a review of Tony Horwitz's "Confederates in the Attic," writes that the age-old pull between the darker meaning of the Civil War's symbols and the affection Southerners have for their ancestors who fought and died in the Civil War is an enduring American condition.
True, but we tend to honor our ancestors no matter what they did. I honor the horse thief as much as the judge, and in fact find the sparse facts I know about him more interesting, if anything.
My grandmother had some Civil War artifacts - letters, homespun cloth, things like that. Things that were preserved by the women of the family.
I agree with this. I like to brag I had ancestors on the Mayflower.
And then note that they were the drunken criminals, not the religious folks.
I have ancestors that date back to the Revolutionary War.
I usually leave out the fact that they were Tories that fled to Canada.
I usually leave out the fact that they were Tories that fled to Canada.
catwho wrote:
I have ancestors that date back to the Revolutionary War.
I usually leave out the fact that they were Tories that fled to Canada.
I usually leave out the fact that they were Tories that fled to Canada.
Only usually? Who do you admit it to?
Canadians, natch.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Cat,
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
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I have ancestors that date back to the Revolutionary War.
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Cat,
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
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I have ancestors that date back to the Revolutionary War.
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
One of your more famous relatives was a spy for the North during the Revolutionary War? I didn't even know we were fighting them.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Cat,
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
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I have ancestors that date back to the Revolutionary War.
Ditto...in fact one of my more famous relatives was a spy for the north operating out of k-twon and offered a lot of land for his service after the war. Of course he turned it down as he believed serving was his duty.
One of your more famous relatives was a spy for the North during the Revolutionary War? I didn't even know we were fighting them.
That's why he was such a good spy.
Just as Planned.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
One of your more famous relatives was a spy for the North during the Revolutionary War? I didn't even know we were fighting them.
He said his relative operated out of K-twon. I think he was a spy for North Korea.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The govenor is now going oops, didnt mean to neglect the issue/cause, yep he did say cause, of slavery. The new order includes it.
Samira wrote:
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Yes, slavery was an issue, but the primary issue was State's Rights.
You can go around and around about this all day, but states' rights were an issue because of slavery.
Ultimate cause, proximate cause.
This.
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