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#1 Apr 07 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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DA tells Wisconsin teachers that teaching new sex ed curriculum could get them fired
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DA to teachers: New sex ed course could get you arrested

A district attorney in Juneau County, Wisconsin, warned teachers in a memo sent to schools that if they teach the new sexual education curriculum mandated under state law, they could be arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a child.

Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."

And since minors can't legally have sex in Wisconsin, teachers would essentially be endorsing the behavior and could be held liable, Southworth said in the letter.

"It is akin to teaching children about alcohol use, then instructing them on how to make mixed alcoholic drinks," he wrote.

In his letter, Southworth said the law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten. This, in turn, will lead to more child sexual assaults."

Southworth sent the letter to five school districts and said they should drop all sex education curriculum until the law could be changed.

The law doesn't force any schools to teach the sex education classes, but it sets out strict guidelines on what should be taught in the schools that choose to do so. The law passed narrowly in the legislature and was the topic of a fierce battle between Republicans and Democrats: No Republicans voted for it, and it was signed by a Democratic governor.

Those who support the law hail it as a chance to keep down the rate of STDs and teen pregnancies and to properly educate students, but opponents say that rather than giving children all the information necessary to have sex, they should focus on a curriculum of abstinence.

Rep. Kelda Helen Roys, a Democrat, told the Wisconsin State Journal that she believes there's no problem with the law.

She said Southworth, a Republican, is a "zealot" who wrote the letter to try to scare people out of teaching the sexual education classes.

"Using condoms isn't a crime for anyone," Roys told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "This guy is not a credible legal source on this matter, I'm sorry to say. His purpose is to intimidate and create enough panic in the minds of school administrators that they'll turn their backs on young people and their families."

In his letter, Southworth argued that it is a crime and that he's just trying to help schools be aware of the legal danger they could be putting themselves in.

"The teacher could be charged with the crime even if the child does not actually engage in the criminal behavior [of having sex as a minor]," Southworth wrote.

Both the State Journal and the Journal-Sentinel spoke with school administrators who said they were seeking legal advice on the matter.


So in other words, the Wisconsin legislature passes a law saying you don't need to teach sex ed, but if you do it needs to be comprehensive. The DA argues that by teaching kids how to safely have sex, teachers can be held accountable if the students do have sex because any student in Wisconsin under the age of 18 is a minor and it is illegal for minors to have sex at all. The DA added no sex ed should be taught until the law is repealed.

I'm not sure of the process behind this, but can you be sued for something that is currently allowed by the law if it is later overturned? I sorta think not... same way that if you are charged under a law that is overturned, you still are charged with it (I remember there was a rape case having to do with that issue a few years back).
#2 Apr 07 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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In his letter, Southworth said the law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten."
Smiley: lol

McCain called this way back in 2008!

Juneau County is a hick county in the middle of nowhere anyway, the guy is just a smalltown loon.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 1:38pm by bsphil
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#3 Apr 07 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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This is SO ridiculous. There are HEAPS of things that we learn in school, with the idea that we are going to wait and apply the knowledge later in adulthood, in the workplace, the home or wherever. It's like as soon as the word "sex" comes up around education, some people get hysterical and completely lose all distinction between the concepts of "Theory" and "Application". I learned a lot of maths in school that I couldn't apply until later when I started investing and taking out loans after I had my own income after leaving school. I learned about the chemistry of food and petrochemicals long before I applied that knowledge by personally being in charge of shopping for food and household products with their safety and efficacy in mind.

I learned how to roll a condom down a vegetable in school 7 years before I ever rolled a condom with intent to put it to its proper use on my first boyfriend.

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Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."

Pfftt... I bet they instruct the kids in the proper use of the semicolon as well and the kids still send one another e-mails that look like they facerolled their keyboards.
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bsphil wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
In his letter, Southworth said the law would convert sex education classes "into a radical program that sexualizes our children as early as kindergarten."
Smiley: lol

McCain called this way back in 2008!

South Park did way back in 2001!

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Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."

Pfftt... I bet they instruct the kids in the proper use of the semicolon as well and the kids still send one another e-mails that look like they facerolled their keyboards.
Yeah, they'll still get the condoms on backwards.
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#7 Apr 07 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I learned how to roll a condom down a vegetable in school 7 years before I ever rolled a condom with intent to put it to its proper use on my first boyfriend.


It's admirable that vegetables kept you satisfied for 7 years, Ari. You must know a good gardener.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 4:00pm by BrownDuck
#8 Apr 07 2010 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
lmao...good for him.

Public school teachers should not be the ones teaching kids about sex. If this is what they have to do to get stop these liberal teachers I say go for it.

#9 Apr 07 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Public school teachers should not be the ones teaching kids about sex. If this is what they have to do to get stop these liberal teachers I say go for it.


The problem with removing sex education from the schools is that it really leads to a parent's ability to brainwash their child into thinking that anything related to sex is evil and should never be attempted. Some wouldn't be brainwashed and instead would go out and have unsafe sex, leading to an increase in teen pregnancy, others would be brainwashed, which is really a violation of a person's right to have free will.

Better for teens to know the consequences of unprotected sex, and to know that if they do have sex, they have the option to take precautions, than to have a bunch of uninformed horny kids running around.

I can't believe this is still an ongoing issue in your backwards *** country.
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#10 Apr 07 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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It's admirable that vegetables kept you satisfied for 7 years, Ari. You must know a good gardener.


Rate up for some good lulz.

It is kinda sad to think that there are people that still haven't realized that we are designed to strive for sex shortly after puberty. Sex Ed class is a very strong source of education on contraceptives and how to use them. Of course it falls on the students shoulders to use them or not, but at least the information is getting to them before they want to fulfill their primal instincts. I would give it a year or two at the most before that DA is laughed at and schools go back to teaching sex ed.

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Those who support the law hail it as a chance to keep down the rate of STDs and teen pregnancies and to properly educate students, but opponents say that rather than giving children all the information necessary to have sex, they should focus on a curriculum of abstinence.


-shakes head- Proper use of condoms dramatically drops the spread of STDs and teen pregnancies. I'm sorry, but abstinence is something only the strong willed can do and most teens are far from that strong, especially with peer pressure, movies, songs, and damn near everything else exclaiming how wonderful sex is.
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."
What a telling phrase. Where's the "willing participant" option?
#12 Apr 07 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
Juneau county is indeed the backwater, hick county of Wisconsin. You can and will find just about all of the Rednecks of the state there.
#13 Apr 07 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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lmao...good for him.

Public school teachers should not be the ones teaching kids about sex.

Who should? This guy?
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#14 Apr 07 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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I can't believe this is still an ongoing issue in your backwards *** country.


I know. T.T

They gave me one of those abstinence presentations in high school, plus stickers if we "pledged to remain a virgin until marriage." That's right. STICKERS if you promised away years of sex. LOL no.

Plus, I got to make the presenters REALLY uncomfortable since I'm gay and didn't fit into their little hetero world.

And yes, these programs are stupid. No kids are going to be convinced by them. The population that has sex before marriage is massively larger than those that don't (you know, all 6 of them). Sex is a natural process and humans have instincts to do it, and it's FUN on top of that. The kids are going to have sex. They just are. And without education, it is amazing how dumb some of them can be ("you can't get pregnant one week after your period"). Refusing to let them have condoms doesn't change the fact that they have sex, it just changes whether or not the sex they have is safe.
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#15 Apr 07 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe this is still an ongoing issue in your backwards *** country.


It's Wisconsin, they don't count. They're pretty much the Texas of the North.
#16 Apr 07 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I always find these things amusing. Adults pass these laws. These same adults were once in high school and most likely having sex. If anyone had told these adults when they were kids to wait until marriage, I'm sure they would have ignored it. I'm sure quite a few of them had no idea about contraception and STDs. But instead of changing things from the way it was 20-30 years ago, they honestly believe that THEIR kids will wait until marriage and understand about birth control.
#17 Apr 07 2010 at 8:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."
What a telling phrase. Where's the "willing participant" option?

Yes. Other states/nations allow for willing sexual encounters between two (or more I guess?) minors. Often in these cases the law stipulates that the minors have to be within 2 or 3 years old of each other, to minimise chances that an older stronger-willed kid intimidates or pressurises a much younger, submissive kid into sex.

However, even working with laughable laws that sex is only legal for adults and teens aren't going to discover where the joys of hormones, lusts and loves are leading them, this doesn't mean that early instruction in contraception isn't crucial. The earlier and more often you cover something, the more likely you are to retain it as general knowledge.

As for leaving it to the parents, in an ideal world fully knowlegable parents would be able to have full and frank discussions about sex with their kids. In my experience a large amount of adults have incorrect knowledge about all sorts of things, and pass their wrong information down to their kids. In an extreme case one Aussie woman I know of thought that children come as a result of participating in a marriage ceremony. She had no idea of the connection between sexual intercourse and children.

Secondly, even in families who have very functional and close relationships between the parents and kids, and even with the best of intentions by the parents to discuss sex theory fully and frankly with their kids, when it comes to actually having those conversations many many parents find their throats drying up and their tongues sticking to the roofs of their mouths, and the kids find themselves squirming and writhing and edging away as fast as possible in embarrassment. The same way that the incest tabboo is usually hardwired in, even talking about sex between generations of family members can kick that icky incest feeling in, and ruin the passage of information about the subject sinking in.
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Secondly, even in families who have very functional and close relationships between the parents and kids, and even with the best of intentions by the parents to discuss sex theory fully and frankly with their kids, when it comes to actually having those conversations many many parents find their throats drying up and their tongues sticking to the roofs of their mouths, and the kids find themselves squirming and writhing and edging away as fast as possible in embarrassment. The same way that the incest tabboo is usually hardwired in, even talking about sex between generations of family members can kick that icky incest feeling in, and ruin the passage of information about the subject sinking in.

My dad and I had a long, very informative and thorough discussion about sex, STDs and love when I was in middle school.


It was also such an awkward conversation that I don't remember any of it. I do remember, however, my health class and our week long sex discussion.
#19 Apr 08 2010 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe this is still an ongoing issue in your backwards *** country.


It's Wisconsin, they don't count. They're pretty much the Texas of the North.


Eh, every state has their rural population areas. In fact, I'd be willing to say that Madison is the second most liberal city in the country. We were the first congressional district to elect an openly gay person to congress that wasn't an incumbent. Every significant government organization in this state is blue: Assembly, State Senate and Governor (if you want to nitpick, our AG is Repub). We have voted Democrat for President in every election since Reagan. Both Senators are Democrats, and 5/8 House Reps are Democrat.

Doesn't really fit a model of Texas (which is pretty much the exact opposite).

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 1:25am by Paskil
#20 Apr 08 2010 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
I actually got a better sex ed class in Girl Scouts than I did in school. We did a whole unit on it, and earned a badge in the process. With girls, especially adolescents, there's a good opportunity to teach them the inner workings of the female body at the same time you go through the "sex can make you pregnant and give you diseases so don't do it without a condom zomg" bits.

I'm fine with comprehensive sex education programs saying that abstinence is the absolute only 100% way to not get pregnant or catch a disease (Virgin Mary notwithstanding.) I'm not okay with them saying that condoms cause cancer, or birth control will make you more likely to miscarry later on, or any of the other disproven quackery the abstinence-only crowd loves to spew.
#21 Apr 08 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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I'm fine with comprehensive sex education programs saying that abstinence is the absolute only 100% way to not get pregnant or catch a disease (Virgin Mary notwithstanding.) I'm not okay with them saying that condoms cause cancer, or birth control will make you more likely to miscarry later on, or any of the other disproven quackery the abstinence-only crowd loves to spew.


I agree with this, although the bigger issue usually isn't deliberate misinformation in abstinence-only education, but the complete lack of information besides "Don't do it."

I figure you knew that, but I'm just emphasizing the point.
#22 Apr 08 2010 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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Also, "look at the scary **** that can grow on your genitals!" doesn't really stop anybody, so stop trying to top rotten.com and do something constructive.
#23 Apr 08 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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The problem with removing sex education from the schools is that it really leads to a parent's ability to brainwash their child


See when you say stupid sh*t like this you more than prove your liberal status. Who the f*ck are you to determine how a parent should raise their child? Sieg Heil!

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Some wouldn't be brainwashed and instead would go out and have unsafe sex, leading to an increase in teen pregnancy, others would be brainwashed, which is really a violation of a person's right to have free will.


So in your twisted little liberal mind public school officials should be the ones who have the power to "brainwash" kids into acting how they think they should act. Yeah you're all about free will.

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Better for teens to know the consequences of unprotected sex, and to know that if they do have sex, they have the option to take precautions, than to have a bunch of uninformed horny kids running around.


Actually it's better for teens to wait altogether and allow parents to be parents.


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Who the f*ck are you to determine how a parent should raise their child?

People comment and pass judgment on how others should raise their children all the time. You do it. I do it. Everyone does it. Shit, you say the state should take away the children of poor people because poor people make shitty parents.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Who the f*ck are you to determine how a parent should raise their child?

People comment and pass judgment on how others should raise their children all the time. You do it. I do it. Everyone does it. Shit, you say the state should take away the children of poor people because poor people make shitty parents.


Well, with any luck (ha!), varus will never be in charge of another person.
#26 Apr 08 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
Nadenu,

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Well, with any luck (ha!), varus will never be in charge of another person.


Well with any luck yours will all die young so I won't have to pay for their worthless ****s.



Jophed,

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Commenting on and being forced to listen to are two quite different things. Children in public schools are captive. As far as I know they can't simply up and leave if they disagree with the subject matter.



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