Obama: Judge, jury, and executionerFollow

Mdenham,



Don't we have to prove they're terrorists first? Isn't that what you've been telling us years now? Or do you like it when the US murders innocent civilians?

Just another day on the internet, then.

After 3:30 yesterday afternoon the stupid level increased exponentially.

Rock on.

Without taking a stance for or against, but merely to point out the hypocrisy/inconsistency:

Um... So you're saying we can kill people on the assumption they are terrorists without having to prove they are terrorists, but it's a crime against humanity to detain someone on the assumption they are terrorists with the exact same amount of proof...?

Yeah, just let him organize the delivery of a suitcase nuke to Chicago. That'll prove he's a terrorist, *then* we can kill him.

...when have I ever stated the latter is the case?

You don't even really need to disagree with Gbaji because what he's saying is just crap. I mean, note that it's "wrong" but "disagree" gives the illusion that what he's saying has some merit.

The vast majority of the Guantanamo Bay detainees (80%+) were picked up by Afghan forces, Pakistani forces or bounty hunters who responded to leaflets spread throughout Afghanistan promising huge cash rewards for turning in Taliban agents. They were not picked up by US forces as the result of a targeted search and there was no body of information about them prior to them being turned in by some random Northern Alliance schmuck. Some percentage of these guys probably are/were bad dudes but let's not pretend that the circumstances of their capture and open-ended detainment are identical to a guy the CIA's been watching for years and whose case had to go through multiple agencies for approval before this decision was made. Instead, people like me have said that the government needs to have a system of sorting through who is actually dangerous and who isn't and then find a way to make things as right as possible for the non-dangerous guys who spent five years in Cuba just because they owned a Kalashnikov rifle and their neighbor wanted $5,000 US and some extra grazing room for his goats. Keeping everyone for years in an off-shore military base because you don't know what else to do with them and never had your shit together enough to make an intelligent call on what to do shouldn't be an option.

The implication that I (or the standard voices on this side) are against anyone being held or think everyone needs to go free is a joke. I'm in favor of the government purchasing Thomson prison and using it to hold those who have a legitimate reason to be held. But I suppose the fact that I'm against random chumps being held without charges for years on end after some Afghan militia tosses them at a couple US soldiers and collects their check means that I need to rail against this case as well.

I'm not sure if folks like Gbaji are just this butthurt still from criticism of Bush that they need to beg and scrape for any chance to "get us back" or if they're actually this retarded that they can't see any difference.

Jophed,



You know you had me going up until this point. I keep having these pictures in my mind of that radical muslim in ft hood screaming allah akhbar while he's mowing down US servicemen. If the CIA couldn't see this guy was a threat then go through the proper channels to legally take this guy out what in the world makes you think the CIA is right about that american citizen abroad?

But like i've said i'm sure Obama is privy to information that can't be let out because to do so would endanger national security, or so we hope. For all we know he could be doing this simply as a way to divert the american peoples attention away from Obamacare.

Whether it's Gitmo or Thomson prison makes no difference to me. Just as long as they are not anywhere near US prison inmates and the weather is preferably crappy.

This statement is a lie.

Even if you don't like/trust the national intelligence agencies, anyone with a glimmer of intelligence can see that the process used to arrive at the decision in the OP is far different than the process used to acquire most of the Gitmo detainees.

Funny thing. The same organizations involved in that (Pentagon & CIA) are the ones you're trusting to say we need to hold these other guys in Gitmo

Ah, the irony...

Disagree. We need to know who these people are and what, exactly, they're preparing to do. Preaching that the end of the world is near is one thing; actively working to bring it about is something else entirely.