Obama: Judge, jury, and executionerFollow

Yeah, diminishing amounts of news stories from when they first became "news" even while Bush was still in office.

I think you'd have a hard time selling this theory as a book though.

Yes, obviously I do approve of this contract killing. In fact, thrust a few bamboo shoots under my fingernails and I would concede that we shouldn't limit ourselves to just Americans living abroad, but also those living within our borders who espouse that kind of behavior and actively recruit others to do the same.

I just find it quite inappropriate that the man who campaigned on closing Gitmo down on a basis of human rights is willing to now set aside those principles to murder a fellow American without cause or due process. Yes, I said murder. All that aside, Obama isn't the first president to discover that the actions of the previous administrations, funnily enough, actually make sense once he gets into office and sees the bigger picture and just how limited a US president's power actually is. Cliche as it may be, but talk is cheap. I'd truly find Obama a worthy president if he'd man up and publically admit that the evil Boosh didn't turn out to be quite the bad man his party made him out to be, but in fact did admirably well considering his options.

Don't get me wrong, Bush made plenty of egregious mistakes, but for all the guff he's taken over Middle Eastern policy and confronting Islamo-facist terror-- including Iraq --he deserves an apology from Obama for beating him about the head and shoulders like a pinata.

Look, I don't want or need this to become some mea culpa from the Left on Bush, but rather an acknowledgement that maybe things around the world aren't as cut and dried as what the "If we were just more culturally sensitive and less imperialistic and all around nice guys who listened instead of talking" airheads believe-- after all, talking has gotten us a loooong way forward in controlling Iran's nuclear aims, for example right? Because sometimes a man just needs killing. The corollary to that statement is sometimes an entire group of people who believe and act a certain way need killing. And extremist Muslims fall easily into that catagory.

Totem

Yes, because Totes is completely, categorically against people making snap judgments on thin evidence. When they're politically to the left of Ghengiz Khan, anyway.

"Dead or alive, you're coming with Robocop."

Jophed,



So what you're saying is americans overseas accused of a crime can be legally taken out if the president feels like it. Sounds about right for Obama/chicago style politics.


Debo,



Don't you mean the liberal war machine? They are in control now aren't they?Oh and the liberal war machine has murdered 10's of thousands this year so far.


It's just sad watching liberals like Joph fall over themselves in an obvious attempt to make light of the administrations approach on this. If they actually believe in due process and the civil rights of american citizens this should have upset them. Didn't it make them mad as h*ll when W was detaining suspected foreign born terrorists without giving them due process?





Edited, Apr 7th 2010 4:46pm by knoxxsouthy

Varus. you know damn well that if Bush had done this 3 years ago, you'd be praising it to high ******* heaven.

Actually, just to be clear on this, Varus are you angry at what Obama is doing with this, or do you think it is right?

Drift,



I'm not condeming the action. I'm pointing out what a bunch of brain washed hypocrites you liberals really are. See the difference? W intercepts a few e-mails and you people are ready to have him tried for high crimes. Obama targets a suspected american citizen abroad for murder and you simply shrug it off and keep on praising the almighty Obama. Am I starting to get through?

W lied people died...remember that nonsense?

Can I re-iterate the point I've tried to make for the last couple years that I am not a liberal? I'm also not a conservative.

Lets break this apart, shall we?



Yes, many of them are, as are many many conservatives, yourself included. That's what media, all media, does. It makes people think a certain way and it's nearly impossible to compromise with those people about anything relating to politics.



While there is a difference in what the action is, there is no difference in the fact that both actions are and were terribly wrong. Those who praise Obama for this are no better than those who praised Bush for Afghanistan, Iraq, the domestic spying, etc. It's all completely immoral, ridiculous, and wrong.



Nonsense, yes, that is a pretty good word for it. But isn't that what it all is at this point? Do you really think that any leader in a country using a democratic system as completely flawed as yours(and mine for that matter) could be universally praised or admonished? It's all a product of a system where polls, the next election, and money are put ahead of what is good for the country, good for the people, and good for the world.

In the end, you're basically accusing me of supporting a decision that I hate and disapprove of wholeheartedly. **** off.

Drift,



Who gets to decide what's good for the country? If our elected officials decide bombing this guy is the way to go why doubt them now? Everyone who voted this guy into office placed their trust in him. Unlike how the liberal democrats treated W i'm willing to allow that Obama had information that led him to the action he took; just like I did W. That still doesn't mean I can't call liberals, like Joph, hypocrites.

Well, it's good to see varus finally agreeing with the administration.

I still think Bush is a jackass for getting us in this situation in the first place, though that's another (old) issue entirely.

Edited, Apr 7th 2010 5:38pm by Debalic

Yes. But, I'm not one of those people. I denounce this sort of action under any administration. I'm not even an American, I couldn't do **** about it if I tried.



Gbaji, I've made a point of not even trying to debate with you most of the time because I really don't want to read that much on a computer screen.

I'm also 99% sure that unless it happened when I was 17, I've never shouted you down for pointing something like that out.