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#1 Apr 06 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like Net Neutrality is a No-No
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WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court on Tuesday dealt a sharp blow to the efforts of the Federal Communications Commission to set the rules of the road for the Internet, ruling that the agency lacks the authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks.

The decision, by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, specifically concerned the efforts of Comcast, the nation’s largest cable provider, to slow down customers’ access to a service called BitTorrent, which is used to exchange large video files, most often pirated copies of movies.

After Comcast’s blocking was exposed, the F.C.C. told Comcast to stop discriminating against BitTorrent traffic and in 2008 issued broader rules for the industry regarding “net neutrality,” the principle that all Internet content should be treated equally by network providers. Comcast challenged the F.C.C.’s authority to issue such rules and argued that its throttling of BitTorrent was necessary to ensure that a few customers did not unfairly hog the capacity of the network, slowing down Internet access for all of its customers.

But Tuesday’s court ruling has far larger implications than just the Comcast case.

The ruling would allow Comcast and other Internet service providers to restrict consumers’ ability to access certain kinds of Internet content, such as video sites like Hulu.com or Google’s YouTube service, or charge certain heavy users of their networks more money for access.

Google, Microsoft and other big producers of Web content have argued that such controls or pricing policies would thwart innovation and customer choice.

Consumer advocates said the ruling, one of several that have challenged the F.C.C.’s regulatory reach, could also undermine all of the F.C.C.’s efforts to regulate Internet service providers and establish its authority over the Internet, including its recently released national broadband plan.

“This decision destroys the F.C.C.’s authority to build broadband policy on the legal theory established by the Bush administration,” said Ben Scott, the policy director for Free Press, a nonprofit organization that advocates broad media ownership and access.

The decision could reinvigorate dormant efforts in Congress to pass a federal law specifically governing net neutrality, a principle generally supported by the Obama administration.

While the decision is a victory for Comcast, it also has the potential to affect the company’s pending acquisition of a majority stake in NBC Universal.

Members of Congress have expressed concern that the acquisition could give Comcast the power to favor the content of its own cable and broadcast channels over those of competitors, something that Comcast has said it does not intend to do. Now, members of Congress could also fret that Comcast will also block or slow down customers’ access to the Web sites of competing television and telecommunications companies.

In a statement, the F.C.C. said it remained “firmly committed to promoting an open Internet.” While the court decision invalidated its current approach to that goal, the agency said, “the court in no way disagreed with the importance of providing a free and open Internet, nor did it close the door to other methods for achieving this important end.”


I can see this as two things. On the one hand, the government does push quite a bit into the internet already and had more plans to do so and regulate the industry. So, yay for a capitalistic market. Of course, this realistically means we'll likely get higher costs, and restricted service to some sights (BitTorrent was the one this case started about). This again is good and bad; it sucks to have our access restricted, but piracy is rampant thanks to these sites. Granted, I think most people I know have used BitTorrent quite a bit...

Anyone have more knowledge on what this ruling could mean? I'll admit I'm only passingly familiar with Net Neutrality.
#2 Apr 06 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Currently companies can restrict user access to the internet, but they have to provide the same access to all sites. So if I buy a 10 MBps connection I will get up to 10MBps as the different websites can serve me. The ruling said that they can provide a service where I get 10MBps on certain sites, but on other sites, I might only get 5 MBps.

It's a different way of tiering the service, but it's stupid.
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#3 Apr 06 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anyone have more knowledge on what this ruling could mean?

If Congress wants Net Neutrality legislation, they'll have to pass a law explicitly giving the FCC the additional power. The FCC, as it exists currently, doesn't have that power.
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The ruling would allow Comcast and other Internet service providers to restrict consumers’ ability to access certain kinds of Internet content, such as video sites like Hulu.com or Google’s YouTube service, or charge certain heavy users of their networks more money for access.

Google, Microsoft and other big producers of Web content have argued that such controls or pricing policies would thwart innovation and customer choice.


ISPs and backbone providers have *always* had this ability. And in the early days, they did restrict where you could go (anyone remember things like Prodigy and AOL?), and they did charge rates based on bandwidth and time used. Yet, despite the ability to do this all along, the trend has been in the other direction because the competition of a free market forces them to do so.

There is a big giant red herring scare tactic to get people to pass increased government regulation which will almost certainly cause most of the very problems they're scaring people about to come true.

Leave the damn internet alone! It works pretty darn well, and those who are making decisions about it have done a better job doing so than any government bureaucracy could do.
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#5 Apr 06 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Default
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Currently companies can restrict user access to the internet, but they have to provide the same access to all sites.


Wrong. This is the first lie told by net neutrality advocates. They love to make it sound like there's some evil "change" going on that must be stopped. The reality is that companies have *always* had the ability to do this if they wanted. There has never been any law or technological barrier to prevent your ISP from deciding to limit bandwidth from/to any portion of the internet they wanted. They don't do this precisely because their customers would raise a fit about it, and go buy someone else's product.

Red Herring. The fact is that net neutrality represents a change in how things are done, not the other way around. It's a big freaking lie. With a huge cherry on top made of more lies.

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So if I buy a 10 MBps connection I will get up to 10MBps as the different websites can serve me. The ruling said that they can provide a service where I get 10MBps on certain sites, but on other sites, I might only get 5 MBps.


Let me repeat. Your ISP and/or backbone provider has always been able to do this. The ruling doesn't give them that ability, it simply re-affirms the status quo that the FCC can't tell those companies how to manage their own bandwidth across their own networks. Yes. That means that they can do something, which they've always been able to do, yet magically have not done very often over the last 20 years. And for that horrible price, we leave those companies free to use various bandwidth management protocols to make new internet applications work properly and almost certainly a host of other things which no one has yet thought of that we might accidentally make impossible as a result of moronic government interference.

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It's a different way of tiering the service, but it's stupid.


It's also not what this is about. At the risk of repeating the standard tin-foil hat conspiracy about net neutrality. It's really about local content providers wanting to maintain their virtual monopolies on television and telephone services. If they can require all packets to be treated equally, they can prevent standards which enable IPTV and VOIP packets to work "well" from being implemented, therefore ensuring that their local directly cabled in content will always arrive faster.


That's the short explanation. It's not really about some evil network company deciding to hold a persian cat and wear a monocle whilst blocking your bandwidth to the sites you like just for the sake of being a big fat meanie... That's the fantasy scenario which for anyone who takes a few seconds to think about, should be pretty obviously bogus. The reality is a bit more complex than that...
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#6 Apr 06 2010 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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The FCC was saying that they couldn't, so the status quo was that they couldn't. Now the courts have ruled that they don't have that authority so they can again. I was correct in my representation of the current state of affairs.

The FCC's decisions on these kinds of matters are generally them responding to an actual event or circumstance.

I'm fairly ambivalent about net neutrality. There are some legitimate concerns, some stupid ones, and my general feeling is that it's probably in this case better to react rather then try to anticipate and **** things up.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:15pm by Xsarus
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#7 Apr 06 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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The FCC was saying that they couldn't, so the status quo was that they couldn't. Now the courts have ruled that they don't have that authority so they can again. I was correct in my representation of the current state of affairs.

Well actually the FCC saying they couldn't was the change to the status quo, not the status quo. The court ruling returned the situation to the status quo. Niggling detail, but accurate none the less.
#8 Apr 06 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
The FCC was saying that they couldn't, so the status quo was that they couldn't. Now the courts have ruled that they don't have that authority so they can again. I was correct in my representation of the current state of affairs.

Well actually the FCC saying they couldn't was the change to the status quo, not the status quo. The court ruling returned the situation to the status quo. Niggling detail, but accurate none the less.
The status quo before, but not the status quo after. Smiley: tongue
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#9 Apr 06 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
Sir Xsarus wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
The FCC was saying that they couldn't, so the status quo was that they couldn't. Now the courts have ruled that they don't have that authority so they can again. I was correct in my representation of the current state of affairs.

Well actually the FCC saying they couldn't was the change to the status quo, not the status quo. The court ruling returned the situation to the status quo. Niggling detail, but accurate none the less.
The status quo before, but not the status quo after. Smiley: tongue

F'ucking Canadians.Smiley: glare

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#10 Apr 06 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
The FCC was saying that they couldn't, so the status quo was that they couldn't. Now the courts have ruled that they don't have that authority so they can again. I was correct in my representation of the current state of affairs.

Well actually the FCC saying they couldn't was the change to the status quo, not the status quo. The court ruling returned the situation to the status quo. Niggling detail, but accurate none the less.
The status quo before, but not the status quo after. Smiley: tongue


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#11 Apr 06 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Finland made it a legal right that all Finnish citizens have access to at least a one megabit/second broadband connection.
And here we can't even settle on who wants to @#%^ us over more. The Facist Gubment or the Evil Corporations.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 6:57pm by Ninomori
#12 Apr 07 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Finland made it a legal right that all Finnish citizens have access to at least a one megabit/second broadband connection.
And here we can't even settle on who wants to @#%^ us over more. The Facist Gubment or the Evil Corporations.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 6:57pm by Ninomori

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