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#1 Mar 30 2010 at 5:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Blame the hormones, but this Sandra Bullock situation has got me thinking about the rights of step-parents. I think it's a damn ******* thing to become involved in a child's life as a step-parent when the birth parent is iffy, become the maternal/paternal figure for said child, develop and have all the feelings and inclinations of a parent on their behalf, and then be left with no rights whatsoever in the event of death or divorce. I really feel for her as far as her attachment to those kids. They're been married longer than Joph and I have been together.

Janine Lindenmulder, Jesse's ex-wife, did say she would welcome Sandra's involvement in her daughter's life and that she is grateful for how well she took care of her, but she's just one of the three.

What's your opinion?
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Suck it, steppies, birth parents or bust. :0 (0.0%)
An open, casual contact through the custodial parent should be more than enough.:5 (11.4%)
Stepparents should have the right to contest custody/adopt in cases of proven birth parent neglect:33 (75.0%)
This is why I'd never date or marry a man/woman who already had kids. :4 (9.1%)
I am ambivalent, and will tell you why below.:2 (4.5%)
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My opinion is pretty obvious: especially with the coming of a new addition, I would like to think I could keep my family intact, and it kills me that an absentee parent has more rights than I do simply because they went through the pregnancy and I didn't.
#2 Mar 30 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had a step-parent that meant everything to me before he died in 1998. If my mother had died while we were young I'd like to believe that my bio dad would have had the sense enough to relinquish his rights to us but more than likely we'd have been taken away. Step-parents definitely should have more rights and kids (over a certain age) more say in their placement in situations like this.

I knew from the age of about 8 that my bio dad was fairly useless as a parent and my step-dad was the real parent in the situation.
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#3 Mar 30 2010 at 5:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm biased due to my situation, but I voted that stepparents should have every right to custody that an absent parent does. Moreso actually as they're involved with the child's life. What's best for the children should always be what's at stake and an absent parent is rarely the one fitting that criteria.
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#4 Mar 30 2010 at 5:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Step parents and defacto (more than two years of co-habitation) step parents should automatically have the same rights and responsibilities as bio parents. Of course, for each individual sepearation, custody and visitation should be worked out in the best interests of the children and the various parents in the situation.
#5 Mar 30 2010 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Flea wrote:
Janine Lindenmulder, Jesse's ex-wife, did say she would welcome Sandra's involvement in her daughter's life and that she is grateful for how well she took care of her, but she's just one of the three.


That's pretty generous. Of course she isn't the custodial parent. Smiley: frown

I voted for step rights, although a child old enough to know what's going on should have a say, as well.

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#6 Mar 30 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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It's too bad the original parents can't respect the bonds that they force their children to make with, other, non-bio adults.

Heck, sounds like these kids have a whole bevy of parents to play off of each other.

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#7 Mar 30 2010 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
That's pretty generous. Of course she isn't the custodial parent. Smiley: frown
She's using this to sue him for custody.

Edited, Mar 30th 2010 9:31am by Atomicflea
#8 Mar 30 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
I agree with custodial rights for step-parents. In my adolescent years I didn't get along with my step-mother at all, however looking back if my father had passed away at any time I would have certainly been better off with my step-mother over my birth mother (at the time).

Sticky is the fact that I, through preference, bounced back and forth quite a bit and had I been given the option at age 10+, I probably would have sided with going with my birth mother simply because she was a waste of oxygen at the time, constantly intoxicated, which would have left me able to do basically whatever I wanted. It would have, however, been the absolute incorrect choice. I don't think I would've realized this point until about 16, but all children are different in how they view these things from a logical and/or emotional point of view (most times, less logical and more emotional).
#9 Mar 30 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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I usually want to give the biological parent(s) the benefit of the doubt. Only in cases of abuse (and neglect is a form of abuse) would I think that the step parent should win custody.

So yeah, what pretty much everyone else answered.
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#10 Mar 30 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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I voted the stepparent gets rights in cases of proven birth parent negelect/abuse. Most of you seem to equate non-custodial to absentee and that does not match my personal experience. In the case of almost every split family I know, mom has custody, not because dad is a bad parent, but because unless she is unfit, mom usually gets the kids. I love my kids and am as involved as I can be, but my ex picked up and moved 1300 miles away and got remarried. If she died 6 months from now, I can't see how anyone could justify giving custody of my kids to her spouse.
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#11 Mar 30 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most of you seem to equate non-custodial to absentee and that does not match my personal experience.


Yeah, I was speaking more specifically about the Bullock situation, where the kids are in the father's custody for a reason. I forget why; I just remember having Federline flashbacks and thinking, "if he's the better choice, whoo boy."

Too bad Bullock never formally adopted the kids, but that's a whole other can of worms when the bio-mom is still hangin' in there.

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#12 Mar 30 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Most of you seem to equate non-custodial to absentee and that does not match my personal experience.


I assumed they meant this case, specifically, and not that non-custodial parents are absentee as a general rule.

Although, in my family, when my parents divorced my father informed me that he never wanted to see me or my brother again. Oh, and to take the dog with us, or else he'd probably shoot him. Then he changed the locks on my brother so he couldn't come by and pick up the mail anymore.

We actually talk and see him now, but he's definitely not my dad, if you know what I mean, and he's still as childish as ever. My mom was pretty much both parent to me as I got older.
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KingJohn wrote:
Most of you seem to equate non-custodial to absentee and that does not match my personal experience.

Matched mine.

On the plus side, I've told Flea to just lay low if I should shuffle off my mortal coil in an untimely fashion. It could be up to a decade before our kid's birth mother thinks to pick up the phone and see what's going on.
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#14 Mar 30 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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On the plus side, I've told Flea to just lay low if I should shuffle off my mortal coil in an untimely fashion. It could be up to a decade before our kid's birth mother thinks to pick up the phone and see what's going on.


Please forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
#15 Mar 30 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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For clarification, in both Sandra's situation and mine, the birth father has custody. It's not necessarily that the non-custodial parent is a bad parent, but that the child may have formed an emotional attachment to their step-parent and may be hurt by the separation.
#16 Mar 30 2010 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Please forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
I don't know about Joph's situation, but for us it's very costly and no guarantee the courts will let me adopt my kids with the father still alive, even if he wants nothing to do with them.
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#17 Mar 30 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Please forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
I don't know about Joph's situation, but for us it's very costly and no guarantee the courts will let me adopt my kids with the father still alive, even if he wants nothing to do with them.


That makes sense. It's also kinda sad. Smiley: frown
#18 Mar 30 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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#19 Mar 30 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Ugly's answer is close enough to count for mine.


Okie Dokie. Sorry for being nosey.

My step-dad ever offered to adopt me or my brother, but that could have more to do with how old we were at the time. But I never really thought about what would happen to me if my mom died. I suppose we would've ended up with my dad and a step-mom that we had never met.
#20 Mar 30 2010 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lease forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
I'm certainly willing, but that isn't something I would do to Jr. Even if I think she is a waste of air, she is his mom, and he still takes great pride in their similarities and is very sensitive to any criticism of her.
#21 Mar 30 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lease forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
I'm certainly willing, but that isn't something I would do to Jr. Even if I think she is a waste of air, she is his mom, and he still takes great pride in their similarities and is very sensitive to any criticism of her.


Aw, that's sweet. Smiley: smile

I think when I was a kid, I made it a point to blame anything I didn't like about myself on my dad. Smiley: lol I was pretty angry for a long time. Smiley: frown
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Okie Dokie. Sorry for being nosey.

No biggie.

She's a perverse person in that she can, left to her own devices, ignore him for a year but then if you try to bring it up she goes into defensive mode claiming that he's the most important thing ever. Even if we were inclined to go that route, it would lead to a costly and lengthy court battle as his mother fights tooth and nail -- not so much for the kid's benefit but so she doesn't look bad by giving up.
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#23 Mar 30 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Having grown up in an extremely stable household with two biological parents, I don't have any firsthand experience. But I would imagine that if in a case like this, if one (or both) of the biological entities was mistreating or neglecting or otherwise ******** up a child, and the other was otherwise unavailable, that a step-parent should be considered for custody.
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#24 Mar 30 2010 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Okie Dokie. Sorry for being nosey.

No biggie.

She's a perverse person in that she can, left to her own devices, ignore him for a year but then if you try to bring it up she goes into defensive mode claiming that he's the most important thing ever. Even if we were inclined to go that route, it would lead to a costly and lengthy court battle as his mother fights tooth and nail -- not so much for the kid's benefit but so she doesn't look bad by giving up.


And that would be sooo much worse for him.
#25 Mar 30 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
lease forgive me for being nosey, and if it's none of my business just say so, but why doesn't Flea just adopt Joph Jr? Is it primarily because you don't want to talk to the birth mother about signing away rights?
I'm certainly willing, but that isn't something I would do to Jr. Even if I think she is a waste of air, she is his mom, and he still takes great pride in their similarities and is very sensitive to any criticism of her.


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#26 Mar 30 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Ugly's answer is close enough to count for mine.


Okie Dokie. Sorry for being nosey.

My step-dad ever offered to adopt me or my brother, but that could have more to do with how old we were at the time. But I never really thought about what would happen to me if my mom died. I suppose we would've ended up with my dad and a step-mom that we had never met.
If you're old enough I think you have more of a choice in who has custody.

It's strange, when I was a kid, I never thought it was out of the ordinary to be raised by a single father.
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