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#127 Mar 30 2010 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good

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The Queen then insists that he can't have traveled where he says he did

She'd be right in your example as well. Columbus thought, wrongly, that the Earth was about one third its actual size and insisted that he could reach the Indies. He completely lucked out in that there was a continent right about where he would have run out of food and water. He mistakenly thought he reached the Indies because it made sense to him and told everyone it was true based on some collected trinkets and natives. But it wasn't true, he never did reach the Indies and later data collection would prove that Columbus was a lucky idiot, not a navigational mastermind.

But, hey, great analogy!

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Jophiel is exactly right on. Actually, the ancient Greeks calculated the radius of the Earth quite accurately. It really isn't hard and it consists of an experiment which is repeatable, although it takes some patience and some coordination at two different places. There is a decent article on it at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

There is also an article about how this was well known:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

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I really hate that they teach schoolchildren that learned people thought the world was flat in Columbus's time. I blame this more on how education majors are generally ditzes, though.

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#129 Mar 30 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Good

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I really hate that they teach schoolchildren that learned people thought the world was flat in Columbus's time. I blame this more on how education majors are generally ditzes, though.

Seriously. NO ONE thought this. What they did believe was that there was a massive Southern continent somewhere to "balance" the world, where all the mythological beings existed. But, as for the world being flat, they knew it was false.

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Jophiel is exactly right on. Actually, the ancient Greeks calculated the radius of the Earth quite accurately. It really isn't hard and it consists of an experiment which is repeatable, although it takes some patience and some coordination at two different places. There is a decent article on it at wikipedia:

We talked about that in my Astronomy class last semester. I knew the Greeks knew a **** load of stuff, but never thought about how they got to it. Even though many of their predictions were way off (such as the distance from the Earth to moon/sun), their techniques were perfectly logical--the only problem was the inaccuracy of measuring tools. The actual formula was fine. We used the same techniques they did to first calculate the distances.

Oh if only the Dark Ages never happened... I want my flying cars dammit!

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#130 Mar 31 2010 at 4:47 AM Rating: Default

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Yoss, believe me on this, I was all ears and prepared to listen to a reasoned opinion until I read this coming from you:

"The Constitution is an outdated document..."

That statement alone negates anything and everything you have said and might say on pretty much any subject concerning life in the United States. By frivolously trashing the single most important document in this country's foundation you knowingly or blithely destroy any possible argument you could make. Why? Because the Constitution makes the United States the United States, not Mexico or the Netherlands or Myanmar.

Declare the Constitution outdated and you have nothing upon which you can base a reasonable argument, if for no other reason than it is theonly thing which preserves those principles which keep our government from being like those from Mexico, Holland, Myanmar, etc.

I suugest you rethink your stance, sir.

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#131 Mar 31 2010 at 6:22 AM Rating: Excellent

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What's the violent crime rate in Holland?

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Totem wrote:

Yoss, believe me on this, I was all ears and prepared to listen to a reasoned opinion until I read this coming from you:

"The Constitution is an outdated document..."

That wasn't Yoss, you yutz.

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Yoss, believe me on this, I was all ears and prepared to listen to a reasoned opinion until I read this coming from you:

"The Constitution is an outdated document..."

That wasn't Yoss, you yutz.

Was it me? That looks like something I'd say.

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#134 Mar 31 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent

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It was Yoda. "Outdated it is...."

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What's the violent crime rate in Holland?

It changes with the wind.

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#136 Mar 31 2010 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent

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Totem,

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"The Constitution is an outdated document..."

That statement alone negates anything and everything you have said and might say on pretty much any subject concerning life in the United States. By frivolously trashing the single most important document in this country's foundation you knowingly or blithely destroy any possible argument you could make.

Are you really surprised? Most liberals think along these lines. The constitution is a "living and breathing" document.

Al Gore said it best;

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"I would look for justices of the Supreme Court who understand that our Constitution is a living and breathing document, that it was intended by our Founders to be interpreted in the light of the constantly evolving experience of the American people."

This is how liberals justify trashing the contents of the constitution.

This is how liberals justify social security, welfare, and now obamacare.

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"The Constitution is an outdated document..."

That statement alone negates anything and everything you have said and might say on pretty much any subject concerning life in the United States. By frivolously trashing the single most important document in this country's foundation you knowingly or blithely destroy any possible argument you could make.

Are you really surprised? Most liberals think along these lines. The constitution is a "living and breathing" document.

Al Gore said it best;

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"I would look for justices of the Supreme Court who understand that our Constitution is a living and breathing document, that it was intended by our Founders to be interpreted in the light of the constantly evolving experience of the American people."

This is how liberals justify trashing the contents of the constitution.

This is how liberals justify social security, welfare, and now obamacare.

Wah wah wah, I couldn't understand you through your torrent of self-righteous crocodile tears.

And I missed when Obamacare was ruled on by the SCOTUS.

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#138 Mar 31 2010 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent

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The constitution is a "living and breathing" document.

It's been that way since 1803. Buy a history book.

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And I missed when Obamacare was ruled on by the SCOTUS.

There's a lot you seem to miss. The same liberals on the court will vote along with how the liberals in congress voted. It's a mindset.

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It's been that way since 1803.

No it hasn't. You read your liberal propaganda i'll stick with the federalist papers and the constitution; and throw in a little adam smith on the side.

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It's been that way since 1803.

No it hasn't.

No, it really has. Your ignorance of our national history is stunning, as always.

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Your ignorance of our national history is stunning, as always.

As is your imaginative interpretation of the historical documents that form the foundation of our nation.

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#143 Mar 31 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent

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As is your imaginative interpretation...

Not mine. I wasn't even alive then.

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#144 Mar 31 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent

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Not mine.

Yes yours. Everytime you vote democrat it's your voice. Your liberal buddies are, after all, the ones who continue to rape the constitution at every turn.

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And I missed when Obamacare was ruled on by the SCOTUS.

There's a lot you seem to miss. The same liberals on the court will vote along with how the liberals in congress voted. It's a mindset.

So you're saying you were wrong before when you quoted Gore and then applied it to Obamacare. Mmmkay, thanks, I knew that but it's nice to have you admit it.

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#146 Mar 31 2010 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent

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So you're saying you were wrong before when you quoted Gore and then applied it to Obamacare.

I applied it because it applied. Is there any doubt how the liberal justices will vote on obamacare? Do you really think they give a d*mn about whether or not obamacare is actually constitutional?

Edited, Mar 31st 2010 10:59am by knoxxsouthy

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#147 Mar 31 2010 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good

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Not mine.

Yes yours. Everytime you vote democrat it's your voice. Your liberal buddies are, after all, the ones who continue to rape the constitution at every turn.

I'm starting to notice a trend. If a conservative poster can't argue their ideology, they make up a new definition of a concept and argue that, even when it has no factual basis or is outright refuted. Isn't that referred to as "strawman"ning? Examples:

"Marriage is all about producing children."
"Prom is to act out traditional marriage."
"The Constitution is not a living and breathing document."

It really is fascinating.

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#148 Mar 31 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent

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Yes yours. Everytime you vote democrat it's your voice.

This has nothing to do with whether or not the Constitution is a "living breathing document", as the phrase goes.

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#149 Mar 31 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent

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I'm starting to notice a trend. If a conservative poster can't argue their ideology, they make up a new definition of a concept and argue that, even when it has no factual basis or is outright refuted. Isn't that referred to as "strawman"ning? Examples:

Hello and welcome to the Asylum!

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Hello and welcome to ~~the Asylum~~America!

FTFY

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