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#27 Mar 25 2010 at 10:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Newegg is, on average, $10-15 cheaper on most of the stuff. If it has free shipping, I'll probably go with Newegg just because $10 over six components adds up. Items like the case which cost the same either way but Newegg charges to ship, I might as well just buy local.

I see that MB comes with an ethernet port. Do I still need to purchase a network card for it? Would my old one work?


The network card on the motherboard is a gigabit ethernet card, so it is 10/100/1000 speed capable. your existing card is likely a 10/100 card. You wouldn't see a speed difference either way unless you have a gigabit router and other computers or devices on your network with gigabit ethernet ports as well, but it would be better to use the faster port on the motherboard over the card. You could actually use both the card and the onboard port for redundancy in case of failure, but that would also take up a computer slot and use more electricity.

When that gigabit port will become important is someday when you decide to buy a backup drive and a faster router. At that point you might want to start backing up from your computer to that backup drive automatically, and network speed from your computer to that backup drive becomes very important.

Even the fastest of the fast cable modems these days aren't going any faster than about 35 mbps throughput, so you aren't even close to saturating your 10/100 card most of the time yet.

Edit: another thing, the onboard sound on that motherboard is 7.1 surround sound capable. there are better aftermarket sound cards, but unless you have a really high end sound system, the onboard sound will work quite well, and unlike old style onboard sound, it's actually pretty light on the resources required.

Edited, Mar 25th 2010 9:43pm by Kaolian
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#28 Mar 26 2010 at 5:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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#29 Mar 26 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks, Kao. Smiley: yippee




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#30 Mar 26 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Newegg is, on average, $10-15 cheaper on most of the stuff. If it has free shipping, I'll probably go with Newegg just because $10 over six components adds up.


Yeah, that's why I only use Newegg. They rock.
#31 Mar 31 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tax refund is due in another day or two according to the IRS's website. Tech Report's system guide recommends this processor and this motherboard. Would I notice a difference in performance against the one you (Kao) recommended? The $70 (plus another $25 savings on the MoBo) is a significant enough difference for my price range to go with the cheaper option unless there's a strong reason not to.

Edited, Mar 31st 2010 11:34pm by Jophiel
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#32 Mar 31 2010 at 11:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I tend to prefer Asus boards because they are usually very stable, ahve good warrenties, and usually have decent features. Gigabyte boards are fine too, and you won't notice a performance difference between either board. that being said, i'd go with the asus board personally just because I trust them more on the hardware front.

For that processor, with the core i3's, you lose intel's "Turbo boost" ram acceleration technology. You are talking maybe a 1-2% performance hit. It's actually very close in all other respects, and i'll be honest I didn't even look at the core i3's before now. For the price versus what you actually get, it makes sense. You really want one of the quad core with hyperthreading Core i7's, for 8 total cores, but that exceeds your entire build budget by itself heh.

I'd probably go with that i3 in that price range then, given the specifications, since the DDR3 ram listed is pretty mid range anyways. $73 bucks, use it for a few years, then maybe snag one of thsoe higher end Core i7's when they come down in price significantly and buy yourself another 3 years on that box, likely with a video card upgrade at that time? The cheaper processor and then maybe use the savings to get the other 2GB ram kit would be your best performance scenareo.
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I believe it said the Gigabyte board was a mini and I don't know if that'd make a difference regarding the case, etc.

Really, I don't even mind getting the Asus just as long as everything fits properly and all that. Sounds like the i3 is the way for me to go though since that's knocking around 10-15% off the system cost when all's said and done.
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#34 Mar 31 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looking at the second board you linked, that is actually a microATX board, designed for small form factor "shuttle" type PC's. That will work just fine in the case listed, but it does have onboard video, and it is going to be somewhat less efficient at heat dissipation due to the smaller, more compact design.

The onboard video is complicated. On previous motherboards, the onboard video was a chip on the motherboard itself. with Core i3 / i5/ i7, the video chip is actually embedded in the processor, and not all of the processors have it. For example, this core i5 processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215 , which I recently put into my downstairs media PC is a a quad core processor, a bit higher end than that I3 or the dual core i5, but it lacks the video chip. I found out the hard way that the onboard video ports on the motherboard I used in the media PC (nearly identical to your gigabyte one, just the Asus brand one) don't work. So I ended up putting in a low end video card in it to tide me over. That particular PC isn't slated to be a gaming rig, so I was prepared to use the onboard video.

In your case, both processsors you are looking at have that embedded video chipset, and you could use it, but I will tell you this, it will suck for gaming and you don't want to. On the plus side, if you do get the gigabyte motherboard the onboard video won't take very many system resources from you, though if you leave it enabled it will take about 256MB of your system ram. you can disable it easily enough, though if you are at 4GB I think you will find that you won't really notice. Still, onboard video is one more system you'll have to patch and troubleshoot, so i'd avoid it if you don't have a real need for it.
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#35 Mar 31 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I believe it said the Gigabyte board was a mini and I don't know if that'd make a difference regarding the case, etc.

Really, I don't even mind getting the Asus just as long as everything fits properly and all that. Sounds like the i3 is the way for me to go though since that's knocking around 10-15% off the system cost when all's said and done.


Both boards will fit. The mini one will just fit with about 6 extra inches of clearance on the sides. Even that Asus board will fit quite well. It's not a tiny case. Its not huge either though. My Thermaltake Eureka cases are significantly bigger for the main PC's upstairs. That micro board is designed to fit in something along these lines: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215 but it will also fit without modification into a standard ATX size chassis.
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#36 Mar 31 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
In your case, both processsors you are looking at have that embedded video chipset, and you could use it, but I will tell you this, it will suck for gaming and you don't want to.

I was getting the video card you recommended above. It's within my budget and has the capacity to run "ultra mode" in City of Heroes (albeit not with maxxed out slider options but the cards needed for that are well beyond my budget).
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#37 Mar 31 2010 at 11:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
In your case, both processsors you are looking at have that embedded video chipset, and you could use it, but I will tell you this, it will suck for gaming and you don't want to.

I was getting the video card you recommended above. It's within my budget and has the capacity to run "ultra mode" in City of Heroes (albeit not with maxxed out slider options but the cards needed for that are well beyond my budget).


Definitly do get that 9800 GTX+ card It's about the best price for performance card you will see for quite some time, I can tell you that for certain.

Sadly the asus motherboard listed will not let you run two or more of them in SLI mode (scaleable link interface) But there would be other areas to upgrade long before you considered that.
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#38 Apr 01 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Definitely do get that 9800 GTX+ card It's about the best price for performance card you will see for quite some time, I can tell you that for certain.

This.

Fixed your spelling error as well.
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