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#27 Mar 25 2010 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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it'll be nice to see the president take the hit for putting millions of people on furlough.


I know you guys are still /butthurt over the black guy getting the job, but if you continue to do everything in your power not to work with him, he will get the job done without you.

Just proof that you don't get it.
It's not just cuz he's black, but because he's black, smarter-than-the-average-Moe, Muslim...oh and a Democrat.

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#28 Mar 25 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'm fairly confident that the legal minds in the white house at the moment would have told Bart Stupack anything they could have to get him to vote yes.

Which is neither here nor there towards whether or not what they told him in this instance was correct.
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#29 Mar 25 2010 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I'm fairly confident that the legal minds in the white house at the moment would have told Bart Stupack anything they could have to get him to vote yes.

Which is neither here nor there towards whether or not what they told him in this instance was correct.

You're right. Any 3rd grade reader could look at the language and tell you they were wrong.
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
You're right. Any 3rd grade reader could look at the language and tell you they were wrong.

Hell, they should get you to argue for them in court!

Smiley: laugh
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#31 Mar 25 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
You're right. Any 3rd grade reader could look at the language and tell you they were wrong.

Hell, they should get you to argue for them in court!

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#32 Mar 25 2010 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Let's add some more fuel to this fire!

House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

Agreed with what was said before; the rhetoric and extremism needs to be scaled WAY back on both sides.
#33 Mar 25 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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. If his executive order is valid, that means that any executive order can trump existing statute, leading to similarities to a dictatorship.


Order or precedence:

Constitution > Statutes & Treaties > Exec orders.

The exec order was more or less good gamesmanship.
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#34 Mar 25 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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. If his executive order is valid, that means that any executive order can trump existing statute, leading to similarities to a dictatorship.


Order or precedence:

Constitution > Statutes & Treaties > Exec orders.

The exec order was more or less good gamesmanship.

I get that.
#35 Mar 25 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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I've been trying to listen to this interview with Mark Potok, the editor of the investigative journal Intelligence Report. It's about the recent violence. It's 37 minutes long - I keep getting interrupted.

Disclaimer: This guy has a strong liberal-left accent;)
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#36 Mar 25 2010 at 7:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office


Someone shot in the air and the bullet happened to land in a building that houses one of his offices.
It cracked the glass but was slowed by the mini blinds.

Now, it could very well have been a Democrat who shot a bullet straight in the air, knowing it would land in a trajectory exactly in his office!

Or it could have been a redneck hunter trying to show off his new pistol to his drinking buddies, who the hell knows.

Edit: It wasn't even his office. It was an office of two of his paid political consultants.



Edited, Mar 25th 2010 9:33pm by catwho
#37 Mar 25 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol! I love this one:

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"The tone is not surprising, but the aggressiveness is," Stauble said Wednesday. "I'm not shocked that people are not reacting well to a large piece of legislation passed by a president that they don't like."


Can the liberal talking heads please stop with the "It's all just racists who don't like a black president" garbage?

Earth to idiots! They don't like the legislation. They would be just as angry regardless of who was sitting in the oval office and it's insulting to the nations intelligence to continue to try to dismiss a large number of people's disagreements with policy on this ridiculous strawman.


And Omega? People did not oppose the Dems health care plans because Obama is black. They opposed it (and still oppose it) because it was and is a bad way to address health care.

Also... Neither Obama nor the majority in Congress were elected to pass this health care bill. The primary issues that gave them this power had absolutely nothing at all to do with health care. You'd think someone might take note of the fact that they ran on a platform of closing Gitmo (which they haven't done), changing our policy on the war on terror (which they haven't done), ending various surveillance programs associated with said war (which they haven't done), fixing the economy (which they haven't done), and decreasing the deficit(s) (which they haven't done).

Heck. About the only major thing that Obama has actually done which he promised to do was to talk to our enemies. Yay Obama! Er... Yeah...
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#38 Mar 25 2010 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Can the liberal talking heads please stop with the "It's all just racists who don't like a black president" garbage?


Nope. Much like the case with GOP talking heads, catering to the lowest common denominator is way more effective in terms of political clout.

They may be speaking like morons to morons, but by golly, they are efficient.
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#39 Mar 26 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lol! I love this one:

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"The tone is not surprising, but the aggressiveness is," Stauble said Wednesday. "I'm not shocked that people are not reacting well to a large piece of legislation passed by a president that they don't like."


Can the liberal talking heads please stop with the "It's all just racists who don't like a black president" garbage?


I think you must be quoting something else, because I failed to see anything about race or racists in those sentences.
#40 Mar 26 2010 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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. Neither Obama nor the majority in Congress were elected to pass this health care bill.


Half true. But healthcare reform was part of his campaign platform.
Obama on 1/25/07 wrote:

Every American should have health care coverage within six years


Cite.

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The primary issues that gave them this power had absolutely nothing at all to do with health care.


I won't even attempt to argue with you on this, as it'll devolve into you picking on the semantics of your own quote. I just assume that you're not retarded, read the link above, & agree that health care was one of the issues involved in "giving them this power".


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You'd think someone might take note of the fact that they ran on a platform of closing Gitmo (which they haven't done)


Working on it.

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changing our policy on the war on terror (which they haven't done),


Patently false. According to Obama, there is no War on Terror. nstead, we now have an "Overseas Contingency Operation.' Also, see the draw down of troop levels in Iraq, the rise in troops in Afghanistan, & the capturing & killing of high level al-Qaeda operatives.

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ending various surveillance programs associated with said war (which they haven't done)


He doesn't have to do anything to do this. All the Dems have to do is take a page from the "do nothings" on the other side of the aisle & let the Patriot Act expire this year.

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fixing the economy (which they haven't done)

Nope, it's not fixed yet. But it's better than it was, under Dubya.

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and decreasing the deficit(s) (which they haven't done).

Puh-lease! He's a Democrat whom inherited a recession. Even if he possibly campaigned on this, there's no way in hell it was one of the "primary issues" of his campaign.

Reach higher.
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#41 Mar 26 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Also... Neither Obama nor the majority in Congress were elected to pass this health care bill.

WTF? Was this a joke? Are you so ignorant of US politics that you didn't know that health care has been a central tenet of the Democratic platform since... well, basically the last 70-odd years? Did you miss the health care plan debates between Clinton/Obama and then Obama/McCain? Obama ran saying he'd enact a health care plan really pretty close to the one that passed (ability to buy into plans like the FEHP).

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The primary issues that gave them this power had absolutely nothing at all to do with health care. You'd think someone might take note of the fact that they ran on a platform of closing Gitmo (which they haven't done)

Getting there. Obama has set down a plan for it and, although hung up on logistics, you'd be a fool to deny that he's attempting to do exactly that. Setting up arrangements with other nations for releases, making arrangements to purchase Thomson prison for the ones we gotta keep, etc.

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changing our policy on the war on terror (which they haven't done)

Hahahaha... aside from Iraqi draw-downs, a build up in Afghanistan (as he said he'd do), getting Pakistan to do something besides take bags of our cash as they give nuclear secrets to Iran and engaging in a hunt for Al'Qaeda leadership that's been far more successful than anything under Bush (to the point where you have conservative pundits whining that we're killing too many leaders with successful drone strikes)? Besides that?

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ending various surveillance programs associated with said war (which they haven't done)

Eh, I'll actually give you partial credit on this one. The Senate got filibustered out of amending the Patriot Act in Feb before its one year extension but Obama could be doing more to push the issue.

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fixing the economy (which they haven't done)

Workin' on it. Sorry there's no magic fix.

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and decreasing the deficit(s) (which they haven't done).

He passed a health care bill scored by the CBO to reduce the deficit by $940 billion over ten years. See? He got a 2-fer out of that one! Smiley: smile

Really now. Obviously you don't like our Commander-in-Chief but are you so desperate to make him look bad that you'd make yourself look like an idiot who hasn't read a newspaper in the last 14 months?

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 10:03am by Jophiel
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#42 Mar 26 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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Did you miss the health care plan debates between Clinton/Obama and then Obama/McCain?


I missed the Clinton vs. Obama debates on healthcare. They must not have been very interesting, though.
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Clinton (as in Hillary R.) wanted a full public option. Obama said that a full public option probably wasn't workable at this time but wanted to allow Americans to buy into the same sort of federally administered exchanges that federal employees (including members of Congress) can tap into. Clinton would accuse Obama of doing it half-assed and Obama would accuse Clinton (in so many words) of pollyanna dreaming if she thought she was going to go full bore public option.

Edited to add that a brief survey of fall 2008 polling on PollingReport.com shows that "health care" typically came in third when people were asked which issues were most important to them leading up to the election. Economy (jobs) was the #1 issue by a large margin, Iraq was #2 and HC #3 (both about equal). Certainly higher than "surveillance" or "closing Gitmo" or even the "terrorism" category. Also higher than "government spending".


Edited, Mar 26th 2010 10:32am by Jophiel
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#44 Mar 26 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Clinton (as in Hillary R.) wanted a full public option. Obama said that a full public option probably wasn't workable at this time but wanted to allow Americans to buy into the same sort of federally administered exchanges that federal employees (including members of Congress) can tap into. Clinton would accuse Obama of doing it half-assed and Obama would accuse Clinton (in so many words) of pollyanna dreaming if she thought she was going to go full bore public option.


Hillary would be sad to hear that whenever I hear "Clinton" I automatically think of Bill. Smiley: lol

But still, I don't remember them debating healthcare. It's interesting to hear that she wanted a full public option. That would've been nice...
#45 Mar 26 2010 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
Oops, itchy trigger finger. My mistake.

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 10:35am by Belkira
#46 Mar 26 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
But still, I don't remember them debating healthcare. It's interesting to hear that she wanted a full public option. That would've been nice...


Yeah, that's why I backed Clinton until Obama won me over by addressing the Rev. Wright kerfluffle as openly as he did.

I wanted a public option based on Britain's NHS, with the ability to purchase private insurance if you want and can afford it. Maybe it'll happen someday, once we see that the sky resolutely refuses to fall.

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