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#1 Mar 25 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Default
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100325/...h_care_threats



By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS, Associated Press Writer Emily Wagster Pettus, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago
Unrest over sweeping federal health care legislation has turned to vandalism and threats, with bricks hurled through Democrats' windows, a propane line cut at the home of a congressman's brother and menacing phone messages left for lawmakers who supported the bill.

The FBI is investigating the instances, which include shattered windows at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona and Kansas. At least 10 members of Congress have reported some sort of threat as of Wednesday, and no arrests have been made.

The brick flung through the window of a county Democratic Party office in Rochester, N.Y., over the weekend had a note attached: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice," roughly quoting 1964 Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater.

A New York congresswoman whose office window also was smashed with a brick accused the Republican leadership of failing to denounce attacks against lawmakers who supported the legislation. The vandalism was at Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter's district office in Niagara Falls early Friday, two days before the House passed the health care overhaul bill.

"It's more disturbing to me that Republican leadership has not condemned these attacks and instead appears to be fanning the flames with coded rhetoric," said Slaughter, a key supporter of the bill.

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that while many Americans are angry over the bill's passage, "violence and threats are unacceptable."

"That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change."

The FBI and Capitol Police were briefing Democratic lawmakers on how to handle perceived security threats, said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. Those who feel they are at risk will be "getting attention from the proper authorities," Hoyer said, declining to say whether any are receiving extra security. Normally only those in leadership positions have personal security guards.

At a news conference in Washington, Hoyer said people have yelled that Democratic lawmakers should be put on firing lines and posters have appeared with the faces of lawmakers in the cross hairs of a target.

While not directly criticizing Republicans, Hoyer said that "any show of appreciation for such actions encourages such action."

Gun imagery was used in a posting on the Facebook page of Sarah Palin urging people to organize against 20 House Democrats who voted for the health care bill and whose districts went for the John McCain-Palin ticket two years ago. Palin's post featured a U.S. map with circles and cross hairs over the 20 districts.

Some of the anger over the bill spilled over in a flood of obscenity and threat-filled phone and fax messages to the office of Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich. His office released some of the messages it has received since the health care bill passed, declining to add further comment.

"I hope you bleed ... (get) cancer and die," one male caller told the congressman between curses.

A fax with the title "Defecating on Stupak" carried a picture of a gallows with "Bart (SS) Stupak" on it and a noose attached. It was captioned, "All Baby Killers come to unseemly ends Either by the hand of man or by the hand of God."

The vandalism and threats surprised a researcher at a think tank that monitors extremist groups.

"I think it is astounding that we are seeing this wave of vigilantism," said Mark Potok of the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

In Virginia, someone cut a propane line leading to a grill at the Charlottesville home of U.S. Rep. Tom Perriello's brother after the address was posted online by activists angry about the health care overhaul. Perriello also said a threatening letter was sent to his brother's house. The FBI and local authorities were investigating.

Tea party activists had posted the brother's address online thinking it was the congressman's home. The post urged opponents to drop by and "express their thanks" for the Democrat's vote in favor of the sweeping health care reform.

Nigel Coleman, chairman of the Danville Tea Party, said he re-posted the comment that originated on another conservative blog, including the address, Monday on his Facebook page. The posts were taken down after the mistake was discovered.

"We've never been associated with any violence or any vandalism," he said. "We're definitely sorry that we posted the incorrect address."

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who has filed a lawsuit challenging the health care overhaul and is a favorite of the Tea Party, said for activists to post an address of Perriello's family shows that things are going too far.

"That is way over the line," he said. "It's not civil discourse, it's an invitation to intimidation and it's totally unacceptable."

Potok compared the online posting of a public official's address to tactics used by hate groups.

"This is what neo **** leaders in America do today," Potok said. "They post personal information about their enemies and sit back and wait for somebody else to act."

Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party in Wichita, Kan., said a brick was hurled through the party's storefront plate glass window late Friday or early Saturday, landing in her office and gouging her wooden desk.

She said that written in marker on the brick were the slogans, "No to Obama" and "No Obamycare."

"The tone is not surprising, but the aggressiveness is," Stauble said Wednesday. "I'm not shocked that people are not reacting well to a large piece of legislation passed by a president that they don't like."

In Tucson, Ariz., someone either kicked in or shot out a glass door and a side window at the congressional office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords early Monday, a few hours after the House health care vote. Giffords voted for the bill.

Giffords' press secretary C.J. Karamargin in Tucson said the vandalism left the local congressional staff shaken and worried.
#2 Mar 25 2010 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
Ya know, if your party had this kind of enthusiasm for the rights of the GLBT community, you could have your own ****** by now. Possibly for free.

Just sayin'.
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#3 Mar 25 2010 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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At least this wasn't posted in the OOT
#4REDACTED, Posted: Mar 25 2010 at 2:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Funny, I posted this as a topic for debate and intrest. I find it sad that people look the other way when things are done without your imput. Pretty much I dont mind heath care. What I do mind is how it was done. I think our founding fathers are turning in their graves at the mokery of our democracy and how close this comes to dictatorship.
#5 Mar 25 2010 at 2:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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....a dictatorship?

Do you even know what that word means? Smiley: laugh
#6 Mar 25 2010 at 3:21 AM Rating: Good
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....a dictatorship?

Do you even know what that word means? Smiley: laugh


Well, in his defense it sounds like three different words if you break it up like so..

dic-tator-ship

Now two of those are awesome and one not so much. Of course now that I think about it maybe he puts two and two together and dreams about the possibilities. :S
#7 Mar 25 2010 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
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....a dictatorship?

Do you even know what that word means? Smiley: laugh

Do you? More to the point, are you familiar with standard modes of English? I'm only asking because it looks to me like dictatorship was used as a comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I know how you got here, so I don't expect much from you in the lines of general grasp of the English language, but please, the basics should be well within the ken of anyone if they try hard enough.
#8 Mar 25 2010 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think these particular anti-Obamacare peeps have read enough Walt Whitman. Now there's a Liberty-and-Freedom American who knew how to do Civil Disobedience.


#9 Mar 25 2010 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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What I do mind is how it was done. I think our founding fathers are turning in their graves at the mokery of our democracy and how close this comes to dictatorship.


How it was done? Open to debate and input from all sides for over a year, relentlessly obstructed by the minority side, passed in spite of them by a legal majority vote?

That is how things ARE done, you silly ****. The only reason you're getting inundated with negative feedback about this is that you live in a reactionary state and read reactionary news feeds (and knowing your mentality, you listen to talk radio. They are not trying to inform you. They are playing the outrage **** game for ratings. Please understand that).

And E_odus is right. It would be an oligarchy at worst, but it isn't even that. It's a functioning republic, same as it ever was.

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#10 Mar 25 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
Aripyanfar wrote:
I don't think these particular anti-Obamacare peeps have read enough Walt Whitman. Now there's a Liberty-and-Freedom American who knew how to do Civil Disobedience.

Most people in this country haven't read enough uncle Waltie. Or Ginsburg, for that matter.

My favorite Whitman quote is from Song of Myself:
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Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
#11 Mar 25 2010 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think our founding fathers are turning in their graves at the mokery of our democracy and how close this comes to dictatorship.

The horror that a majority of democratically elected officials (including a supermajority in the Senate) would use their Constitutionally granted powers as legislators to pass a bill in the US Congress! Why, that's just like how they do it in Russia!
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#12 Mar 25 2010 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
Samira wrote:
And E_odus is right. It would be an oligarchy at worst, but it isn't even that. It's a functioning republic, same as it ever was.

No, he would have been right if Tailmon had called it a dictatorship. As it is he suggested it comes close, which isn't too terribly inaccurate. The president signed an executive order to re-affirm the existing rule limiting federal funding of abortion, in contravention of a statute he signed. If his executive order is valid, that means that any executive order can trump existing statute, leading to similarities to a dictatorship.
#13 Mar 25 2010 at 6:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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How it was done? Open to debate and input from all sides for over a year, relentlessly obstructed by the minority side, passed in spite of them by a legal majority vote?

Don't you understand, Samira? It was rammed through! Rammed through, I say!

"Ramming speeds, Lively!"
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"I figured you'd want us to take over a year before we very... slowly... made contact. That's what 'ramming speed' means, right?"
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#14 Mar 25 2010 at 6:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Funny, I posted this as a topic for debate and intrest. I find it sad that people look the other way when things are done without your imput. Pretty much I dont mind heath care. What I do mind is how it was done. I think our founding fathers are turning in their graves at the mokery of our democracy and how close this comes to dictatorship.

Oh, and I posted it here because I felt it was more of a serious topic.


You posted an article. You did not "start a topic for debate." Now that you've added something, I can respond & make an actual attempt at not making a low blow.

Obama was elected with the majority vote. Congress was elected the same way. Our founding fathers set it up that Congress writes the laws, the President signs or vetoes them, & the Supreme Court (who will NEVER touch this bill) interrupts the constitutionality of laws.

Democracy is working as intended.

For what it's worth, I think it could have been done a better way but the GOP decided to be obstructionists, so the Dems did what they had too.

Which is really, really surprising as I pretty much expect Dems to do nothing, except maybe ***** about it, instead.
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#15 Mar 25 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.
#16 Mar 25 2010 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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Which is really, really surprising as I pretty much expect Dems to do nothing, except maybe ***** about it, instead.
It's all about the 'change'.
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#17 Mar 25 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.
Like they did Medicare?
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
The president signed an executive order to re-affirm the existing rule limiting federal funding of abortion, in contravention of a statute he signed.

It was the opinion of the White House legal eagles that the senate bill didn't negate the Hyde Amendment. Obama's executive order simply reaffirms that stance; it doesn't contravene the statute.
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.

Won't make it past the Democratic filibuster Smiley: laugh
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#20 Mar 25 2010 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.
Like they did Medicare?

Yeah, like the Democrats did with Medicare when they cut half a trillion from it in this bill.
#21 Mar 25 2010 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
The president signed an executive order to re-affirm the existing rule limiting federal funding of abortion, in contravention of a statute he signed.

It was the opinion of the White House legal eagles that the senate bill didn't negate the Hyde Amendment. Obama's executive order simply reaffirms that stance; it doesn't contravene the statute.

I'm fairly confident that the legal minds in the white house at the moment would have told Bart Stupack anything they could have to get him to vote yes.
#22 Mar 25 2010 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.

Won't make it past the Democratic filibuster Smiley: laugh

Fortunately precedent now renders that moot.
#23 Mar 25 2010 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.

Won't make it past the Democratic filibuster Smiley: laugh

Fortunately precedent now renders that moot.


They won't have enough to override a veto. Stop crying, for fUCk's sake.

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#24 Mar 25 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think it will be interesting next year when the newly GOP controlled legislature just decides to de-fund the sections of the the health care overhaul that they can.

Won't make it past the Democratic filibuster Smiley: laugh

Fortunately precedent now renders that moot.


They won't have enough to override a veto. Stop crying, for fUCk's sake.

They might not have enough to override a veto, but if it's in the omnibus budget bill, it'll be nice to see the president take the hit for putting millions of people on furlough.
#25 Mar 25 2010 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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it'll be nice to see the president take the hit for putting millions of people on furlough.


I know you guys are still /butthurt over the black guy getting the job, but if you continue to do everything in your power not to work with him, he will get the job done without you.

See-> Healthcare Reform.

I mean seriously, yesterday it was forcing Dems to vote down anti-***** pills for sex offenders so they could avoid another vote in the Senate. It was absurd.

But the ten year old in mean also found it hilarious.
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#26 Mar 25 2010 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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it'll be nice to see the president take the hit for putting millions of people on furlough.


I know you guys are still /butthurt over the black guy getting the job, but if you continue to do everything in your power not to work with him, he will get the job done without you.

Just proof that you don't get it.
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