Ya know, I bet if she was nicer, & not such a vapid cunt, this never would have happened.
Instead, she would have been invited to play hockey & eat some cheese fries covered in gravy.
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Ya know, I bet if she was nicer, & not such a vapid cunt, this never would have happened.
Instead, she would have been invited to play hockey & eat some cheese fries covered in gravy.
Instead, she would have been invited to play hockey & eat some cheese fries covered in gravy.
gbaji wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
gbaji wrote:
The whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech".
Bull. You think all those students showed up because a VP said something in a private letter, that Coulter then published? Yeah, CLEARLY it was the VP's fault. I've been at a college (as a student or an employee) for 6 years, and I still can't tell you who the VPs are. The kids didn't care that their VP warned her that hate speech is against Canadian law...
*cough*
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A protest organizer, international studies student Mike Fancie, said he was pleased they were able to stop Coulter from speaking.
"What Ann Coulter is practicing is not free speech, it's hate speech," he said. "She's targeted the Jews, she's targeted the Muslims, she's targeted Canadians, homosexuals, women, almost everybody you could imagine."
Want to rethink or rephrase that maybe?
No, not at all you idiot. You said, and even quoted yourself as saying "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech." No. It didn't. No one gives a flying fuck what the faculty member said; they care that Coulter does speak hateful things (or any of the other reasons I listed). My entire point is that very few students know who their vice president is, much less what he or she says; the students protested on their own or because their friends went.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not making any claim to some kind of intent to make people think that Coulter's speech was hate speech on the part of the VP.
No, you verbose ignoramus, you were making a claim that the entire student reaction, especially their targeting of Coulter's "hate speech" was derived entirely from a private letter from a school administrator publicly published by Coulter so she could cry crocodile tears. That's what's bull, not whatever derailment you're trying to throw up.
As for your cousin, no one gives a fuck. Interesting that you seem to believe that student protests are in fact organized and executed through the whim of VPs at colleges across the world, in preparation to make all the students into *****.
Oh, pardon me. That "your cousin" thinks that.
Edited, Mar 25th 2010 8:36am by LockeColeMA
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Then she wouldn't be wealthy.
She's "porno hot", so I'm sure the cunt could be put to good use.
Yes, I just did that.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
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No, not at all you idiot. You said, and even quoted yourself as saying "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech." No. It didn't. No one gives a flying **** what the faculty member said; they care that Coulter does speak hateful things (or any of the other reasons I listed). My entire point is that very few students know who their vice president is, much less what he or she says; the students protested on their own or because their friends went.
See, in Gbaji's world all liberals everywhere know what every other liberal is thinking. In Gbaji's world we all agree with each other on every point and intuit that the time for action has come, and step up with machine-like precision to execute.
Would that it were so.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samy,
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
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all liberals everywhere know what every other liberal is thinking.
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Samy,
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
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all liberals everywhere know what every other liberal is thinking.
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
Ask an intelligent conservative what they think of Palin. You won't like the answer.
Moebi,
Ask any liberal what they think and chances are the answer is going to be the same.
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Ask an intelligent conservative what they think of Palin. You won't like the answer.
Ask any liberal what they think and chances are the answer is going to be the same.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Moebi,
Ask any liberal what they think and chances are the answer is going to be the same.
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Ask an intelligent conservative what they think of Palin. You won't like the answer.
Ask any liberal what they think and chances are the answer is going to be the same.
Pretty quick on the up take, there eh?
My point is that propaganda is not limited to one side.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Shocking, isn't it.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
What, that I forgot? Yeah.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Samy,
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
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all liberals everywhere know what every other liberal is thinking.
You do. Back to that group think mentality. Granted they aren't actually independent thoughts but rather the result of years of inundation by numerous propaganda sources. Ask a liberal what they think about Palin and then tell me liberals aren't all spouting the same bs.
Ask an intelligent conservative what they think of Palin. You won't like the answer.
I never understood the Palin love-fest.
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Sweetums wrote:
See, my family is incredibly conservative and the only thing I've heard are mutters about her "just being a @#%^ing beauty queen."
I never understood the Palin love-fest.
I never understood the Palin love-fest.
Easy jokes about "no, I said intelligent" aside, yeah, that's what I mean. Glenn Beck's audience love her. Hannity's audience love her. I think she's qualified to stay at home and raise the kids, and not much else.
Hah, don't bother attempting to insinuate that people actually watch MSNBC.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
LockeColeMA wrote:
No, not at all you idiot. You said, and even quoted yourself as saying "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech." No. It didn't.
So the organizer quoted earlier just happened to parrot the exact same sentiment? And you think that's coincidence?
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No one gives a flying fuck what the faculty member said; they care that Coulter does speak hateful things (or any of the other reasons I listed). My entire point is that very few students know who their vice president is, much less what he or she says; the students protested on their own or because their friends went.
So we are in agreement that most of the students actually participating are just following along with a groupthink mentality. Great. It's the organizers and what reasons they used to "rile up" the students for the protest that matter. And those people most definitely pick up on what it being said and amplify it for their own purposes.
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gbaji wrote:
I'm not making any claim to some kind of intent to make people think that Coulter's speech was hate speech on the part of the VP.
No, you verbose ignoramus, you were making a claim that the entire student reaction, especially their targeting of Coulter's "hate speech" was derived entirely from a private letter from a school administrator publicly published by Coulter so she could cry crocodile tears.
So the VP warns her that her speech might be considered hate speech. She makes a big deal out of it and uses him as an example of intolerance, and then a group of organizers at the campus just happen to get a whole bunch of students to engage in a pretty violent protest, all repeating the mantra that Coulter's speech is "hate speech". And you think that there's no connection there? Really? Bury your head in the sand much?
Political organizers do this sort of thing professionally. Only an absolute idiot fails to see that the reason the theme of the protest against Coulter was "hate speech" was because of the exchange between the VP and Coulter about the very same thing. Are you really this much of a sucker that you can't see this? Wow...
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Interesting that you seem to believe that student protests are in fact organized and executed through the whim of VPs at colleges across the world, in preparation to make all the students into *****.
No. I said that they are organized by the organizers. You know. The person identified as an organizer of the protest whom I quoted earlier? I specifically said that the VPs intent was irrelevant. Had he not written what he wrote, and had Coulter not responded to it as she did, this protest would not have happened.
So yes. It did all start because that VP sent that letter. Causality and all of that. It's not even that complicated.
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Oh, pardon me. That "your cousin" thinks that.
I'm just repeating what she said. Do you actually think a bunch of random college students just happen to show up, all chanting the same slogans and waving the same messages? The article quoted one of the organizers. Why are you attempting to deny that they're "organized"? What do you think a protest organizer does?
Engage your brain...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
No, not at all you idiot. You said, and even quoted yourself as saying "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech." No. It didn't.
So the organizer quoted earlier just happened to parrot the exact same sentiment? And you think that's coincidence?
Not at all! Her speech is hate-filled; dude, it's what she's KNOWN for. You're acting like the VP is the first person in the history of the world to pick up on it...
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No one gives a flying fuck what the faculty member said; they care that Coulter does speak hateful things (or any of the other reasons I listed). My entire point is that very few students know who their vice president is, much less what he or she says; the students protested on their own or because their friends went.
So we are in agreement that most of the students actually participating are just following along with a groupthink mentality. Great. It's the organizers and what reasons they used to "rile up" the students for the protest that matter. And those people most definitely pick up on what it being said and amplify it for their own purposes.
I'm thinking it's a protest; there's no liberal hivemind, there're catchy slogans, chanting, and signage. I'm arguing your ridiculous notion that somehow the VP's comments are the cause of this the entire thing. You said it yourself: "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech."" Instead of, you know, maybe the fact that Coulter is known to use language peppered with offensive and derogatory terms. Y'know... uh... "hate speech."
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So the VP warns her that her speech might be considered hate speech.
Yes.
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She makes a big deal out of it and uses him as an example of intolerance,
Yep.
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and then a group of organizers at the campus just happen to get a whole bunch of students to engage in a pretty violent protest, all repeating the mantra that Coulter's speech is "hate speech".
Yeah.
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And you think that there's no connection there? Really?
No, I really don't think so. Coulter is KNOWN TO USE DEROGATORY AND INCENDIARY LANGUAGE. She is known to pander to ignorance, and rile up her followers with "them versus us" and "we're better than them" and "they're worse because..." kinds of sayings, often times based on discriminating factors like ethnicity. I was going to make an analogy, but then you just argue analogies, so I quit before I started. The idea behind it was, two groups of people, even marginally related to each other, can reach the same conclusion separately. Hell, if anything you should be arguing that both the students and the VP likely have heard of Coulter through the liberal MSM, and thus the media is the one that REALLY started this all. I blame MSNBC!
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Interesting that you seem to believe that student protests are in fact organized and executed through the whim of VPs at colleges across the world, in preparation to make all the students into *****.
No. I said that they are organized by the organizers. You know. The person identified as an organizer of the protest whom I quoted earlier? I specifically said that the VPs intent was irrelevant. Had he not written what he wrote, and had Coulter not responded to it as she did, this protest would not have happened.
No. You said that this is all because of the VP; and THEN you slipped into the mix that organizers are actually responsible. I've gone back and read what you wrote. You're trying to implicitly link professional protest organizers with student protesters and tie it in with an agenda from the faculty... and doing a pretty crappy job of it.
I have no problem with protesters, nor people planning protests (especially if it's students planning protests with other students... as the article said). I have a problem with you believing this is some kind of conspiracy, that "political organizers" and doing this "professionally." Stop throwing in your own supposition without any fact to back it up.
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Oh, pardon me. That "your cousin" thinks that.
I'm just repeating what she said. Do you actually think a bunch of random college students just happen to show up, all chanting the same slogans and waving the same messages? The article quoted one of the organizers. Why are you attempting to deny that they're "organized"? What do you think a protest organizer does?
Engage your brain...
I never attempted to deny they are organized... at all. What I've been saying the entire time, and what you keep sidestepping with ridiculous strawmen, is that Ann Coulter uses hate speech, and maybe, just maybe, more than a single person in the entire country of Canada happens to realize it and does something. If it wasn't clear to you from the previous sentence, I feel like maybe the vice president is not the only person at the university who realizes that she has hate-filled and offensive rhetoric. The difference being how they reacted; he wrote a private letter, and the students planned a protest.
Edit: I owe you an apology. I did not realize in your second-to-last response to me, that you never actually mentioned the VP at all when linking the story to your cousin. Instead you kept it purposefully vague. The students are being used. They're just missing goosestepping and uniforms. And who is pulling the strings? You never say. I assumed you meant the faculty, as according to you earlier, you said all of this happened because of the vice president. Then you started mentioning professional political protesters. Which I didn't pick up on, because the organizer you quoted is actually a student, not a professional political protest organizer.
What I'm trying to say is, you veered the conversation away from any topic at hand, and tried to turn it to your own paranoia. I'm sorry I didn't see you make the jump into madness and tried to respond using the actual information from the article and your own responses. My bad.
Edited, Mar 25th 2010 9:17pm by LockeColeMA
Edit2: And some fun quotes from Ann that, you know, people might just have heard about... let's see if I hit everything your quoted protester spoke about... Muslims, women, Jews, Canadians... yup, all there. Go figure.
Ann Coulter wrote:
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
I don't know if [former U.S. President Bill Clinton is] gay. But [former U.S. Vice President] Al Gore - total ***.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. ...That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
I don't know if [former U.S. President Bill Clinton is] gay. But [former U.S. Vice President] Al Gore - total ***.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. ...That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
Sourcey (yes a wiki, but seems like there are links to all the quotes) : http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter
Edited, Mar 25th 2010 9:27pm by LockeColeMA
LockeColeMA wrote:
Not at all! Her speech is hate-filled; dude, it's what she's KNOWN for.
Is it? Without looking anything up, can you give an example of something she has said which qualifies as "hate speech", and say why you think it does? For bonus points, provide a usable definition of "hate speech" as well...
And if you're having trouble, go ahead and look something up. Have you actually read anything she's written, or listened to anything she's said? Or are you just reacting to what others have told you and perhaps an occasional 5 second clip of a statement she's made? I'm not trying to defend her speaking style. She's deliberately provocative. She makes off hand comments which are easily quoted out of context, but are often just examples of ridiculous claims which liberals make about conservatives. Doubly funny when those bits are quoted as though they're her opinions...
She's hard hitting and pretty harsh with the language. But there are a lot of liberal speakers who are a hell of a lot more harsh out there. What qualifies her speech as "hate filled", but not those of a number of the guys advising the current president right now? You know. Like someone who suggested that sterilizing the poor might be a good way to manage population growth. I don't think that's hate speech either, btw. I think it's moronic, but that's not the same thing.
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You're acting like the VP is the first person in the history of the world to pick up on it...
No. I'm saying he made a point of it in this particular case, it got out (yes, she helped with that), and that became the theme of the protest.
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You said it yourself: "This whole thing happened because a faculty member labeled her opinions "hate speech."" Instead of, you know, maybe the fact that Coulter is known to use language peppered with offensive and derogatory terms. Y'know... uh... "hate speech."
Yes. If he had not made that statement, she would not have made an issue of it, and the protest organizers would not have had that to use as a rallying cry to organize such an angry protest. I didn't say that he intended that result. I said that the result occurred because of that starting point. You do understand the idea that things can happen as result of your actions without you intending them.
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No, I really don't think so. Coulter is KNOWN TO USE DEROGATORY AND INCENDIARY LANGUAGE. She is known to pander to ignorance, and rile up her followers with "them versus us" and "we're better than them" and "they're worse because..." kinds of sayings, often times based on discriminating factors like ethnicity. I was going to make an analogy, but then you just argue analogies, so I quit before I started. The idea behind it was, two groups of people, even marginally related to each other, can reach the same conclusion separately. Hell, if anything you should be arguing that both the students and the VP likely have heard of Coulter through the liberal MSM, and thus the media is the one that REALLY started this all. I blame MSNBC!
And yet, despite her being well known for this, she's managed to speak at hundreds of events, and dozens of universities, yes even ones in Canada, and never before has this level of protest resulted.
What was different between those events and this one? Do you see why I'm pointing to the exchange between her and the VP? Things like this don't just happen all on their own. Not with that level of anger and rhetoric. Something else was going on here, and it's pretty obvious that the whole "her speech might violate Canadian law" bit from the VP certainly acted as a polarizing event. Absent his statement, and her response, would the protest have occurred in the manner it did?
I suspect not. I suppose it's possible that random chance might have caused such a thing to happen, but barring some other reasonable cause, I think it's fair to point to that as the likely suspect. Don't you agree?
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Edit: I owe you an apology. I did not realize in your second-to-last response to me, that you never actually mentioned the VP at all when linking the story to your cousin. Instead you kept it purposefully vague. The students are being used. They're just missing goosestepping and uniforms. And who is pulling the strings? You never say. I assumed you meant the faculty, as according to you earlier, you said all of this happened because of the vice president. Then you started mentioning professional political protesters. Which I didn't pick up on, because the organizer you quoted is actually a student, not a professional political protest organizer.
The story about my cousin was just a side musing. It had nothing to do with the event at hand, except as a general observation about the nature of protests and how they are organized. My point was that those participating often don't have more than a surface understanding of the issue they're protesting. And yes, I was making the ironic observation that a group of students who almost certainly think of themselves as free thinkers would so obviously subjugate their own thought to a group activity like that.
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Ann Coulter wrote:
I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
I don't know if [former U.S. President Bill Clinton is] gay. But [former U.S. Vice President] Al Gore - total ***.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. ...That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
I don't know if [former U.S. President Bill Clinton is] gay. But [former U.S. Vice President] Al Gore - total ***.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
[Canadians] better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. ...That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe — this is just a statement of what the New Testament is — is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
Ah some Coulter quotes. Some are jokes, others are intended to be cutting observations (she was making a point about women being used as a voting block by democrats, not actually arguing that women should not vote). I know it's hard to "get" her, and she bothers me a lot as well. She has a very grating style.
However, is any of that "hate speech"? If so, why? Repeat of my first question I suppose...
King Nobby wrote:
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Ah some Coulter quotes. Some are jokes, others are intended to be cutting observations (she was making a point about women being used as a voting block by democrats, not actually arguing that women should not vote). I know it's hard to "get" her, and she bothers me a lot as well. She has a very grating style.
Some (this weasel in my pocket, for example) would accuse her of knowing this and wishing herself to be taken seriously by those in that group that agree with the literal meaning of the things she says. They might argue that the ironic, and you would argue true, meaning of what she is saying is there, quite tenuously, I'd say, to shield herself from criticism. To be honest, it doesn't really matter whether she genuinely believes these things, she clearly wants to attract, reinforce and benefit from those that do. Semantic debate aside, the things she say are hateful.
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