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#1 Mar 24 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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Can't remember if the original article was in here or the OOT, but a judge ruled that Constance McMillen's First Amendment rights were violated by her school for refusing to let her attend Prom with a female date or to wear a tuxedo to the event. However, the judge will not force the school to reinstate the Prom, which they cancelled rather than allow Constance to attend.

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(CNN) -- A Mississippi lesbian Tuesday won a judge's backing for her contention that her First Amendment rights were violated when her high school refused to allow her to attend her prom with her girlfriend.

But U.S. District Judge Glen H. Davidson refused to order the Itawamba County School District in Fulton, Mississippi, to hold the dance it had canceled over the matter.

In his 12-page order, Davidson also ruled that Itawamba Agricultural High School's denial of 18-year-old Constance McMillen's request to wear a tuxedo to her prom was a violation of her rights.

"The record shows Constance has been openly gay since eighth grade and she intended to communicate a message by wearing a tuxedo and to express her identity through attending prom with a same-sex date," Davidson wrote.

"The court finds this expression and communication of her viewpoint is the type of speech that falls squarely within the purview of the First Amendment."


When school officials told McMillen she could neither take her girlfriend to the prom nor wear a tuxedo to the event, the senior went to the American Civil Liberties Union, which demanded the school change its policy. In response, the school district canceled the prom altogether.

Davidson denied a motion for an injunction filed by McMillen against the school district's superintendent, the school's principal and its assistant principal asking the court to order that the April 2 prom be reinstated, saying that parents were planning a private event to be held on that date for all students, including McMillen.

Requiring school officials "to step back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue," he said.

Both sides in the dispute were happy with the outcome.

"It vindicates Constance's rights," said Christine Sun, senior counsel with the ACLU's lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender project.

"It sets a legal precedent for gay and lesbian students all over the country that they have the right to bring a same-sex date to the prom and also to wear gender-nonconforming clothes to the prom. We were looking for a ruling that what the school did was violate her rights," Sun said.

School board attorney Michele Floyd said the school district was also pleased with the decision.

She said the parent-sponsored event, which may be called a ball instead of a prom, is to be held in Tupelo, 19 miles away.
But ACLU's Sun said McMillen had not received an invitation. "We haven't heard anything about this private prom other than what this school district has told us," she said. "It remains to be seen whether she will be able to attend the private prom."

McMillen's case is going forward on a damages claim and the ACLU's request for attorneys' fees, she said. "She got what she wanted, and now it's just a question of what the damages might be in her case."

"I never thought the school would try to cancel the prom and hurt everyone just to keep me and my girlfriend from going together," McMillen said last week in an ACLU news release. "A lot of people have made really generous offers to pay for a prom somewhere else, which I really appreciate. But all I've ever wanted was to be able to just go to my own school's prom with my girlfriend."

At the center of the lawsuit is a February 5 memorandum from the school to students that said prom dates must be of the opposite sex.

Superintendent Teresa McNeece also told McMillen that she and her girlfriend could be ejected from the prom if other students complained about their presence, according to the documents.

#2 Mar 24 2010 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Mar 24 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Superintendent Teresa McNeece also told McMillen that she and her girlfriend could be ejected from the prom if other students complained about their presence, according to the documents.



Huh. Looks like I was right, they would've thrown her out after all. Go figure...
#4 Mar 24 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Lesbians ruin everything.
If she hadn't blown the issue out of the water, and instead of ******** about it and went ahead and done it, the prom wouldn't have been canceled for everyone else. Just a stupid attention *****.
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#6 Mar 24 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lesbians ruin everything.

Silly homos, lesbians make **** SO much better*.

*Not the real, leather-faced, ********* San Francisco lesbians, but the bisexual lipstick lezzies that inhabit "Prison Girl Violation" and "Muff Munchers" volume 1-27.
#7 Mar 24 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Lesbians ruin everything.
If she hadn't blown the issue out of the water, and instead of ******** about it and went ahead and done it, the prom wouldn't have been canceled for everyone else. Just a stupid attention *****.
She wanted to attend, not be barred at the door. I understand you may not give a damn about her wants, so you must understand if she wasn't that focused on anyone else's.
#8 Mar 24 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Lesbians ruin everything.
If she hadn't blown the issue out of the water, and instead of ******** about it and went ahead and done it, the prom wouldn't have been canceled for everyone else. Just a stupid attention *****.
She wanted to attend, not be barred at the door. I understand you may not give a damn about her wants, so you must understand if she wasn't that focused on anyone else's.
If I remember correctly it was because her guest was not a member at the school. If they were they could have just come and no one would likely have said anything, I can't imagine someone getting turned away due to wearing a suit as opposed to a dress, but I also don't live there.

Over here, if it were even an issue, which I doubt it would be, just showing up would likely have been the solution, but it sounds like that wasn't the case here.
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#9 Mar 24 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Over here, if it were even an issue, which I doubt it would be, just showing up would likely have been the solution, but it sounds like that wasn't the case here.

The most important word in the entire story, and the one that sheds the most light on the rationale, is Mississippi.

Backwards-assed country bumpkins.
#10 Mar 24 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Lesbians ruin everything.
If she hadn't blown the issue out of the water, and instead of ******** about it and went ahead and done it, the prom wouldn't have been canceled for everyone else. Just a stupid attention *****.
She wanted to attend, not be barred at the door. I understand you may not give a damn about her wants, so you must understand if she wasn't that focused on anyone else's.
If I remember correctly it was because her guest was not a member at the school. If they were they could have just come and no one would likely have said anything, I can't imagine someone getting turned away due to wearing a suit as opposed to a dress, but I also don't live there.

Over here, if it were even an issue, which I doubt it would be, just showing up would likely have been the solution, but it sounds like that wasn't the case here.


I have heard nothing like that, but I've admittedly only read 3 or 4 articles about it. She specifically asked if she could wear a tuxedo, and told she could not. She asked if she could bring her girlfriend, and was told no, and that if they were seen dancing together, they could be told to leave.
#11 Mar 24 2010 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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this is just vague remembrances from the last thread, and reading the article once, back then.

My intuition says to just show up, and they'll look the other way, making an issue of it seems counterproductive, but then they did cancel the whole shindig, so that could likely be wrong.

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 11:11am by Xsarus
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#12 Mar 24 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
Lesbians ruin everything.
If she hadn't blown the issue out of the water, and instead of ******** about it and went ahead and done it, the prom wouldn't have been canceled for everyone else. Just a stupid attention *****.
She wanted to attend, not be barred at the door. I understand you may not give a damn about her wants, so you must understand if she wasn't that focused on anyone else's.
If I remember correctly it was because her guest was not a member at the school.


If that's the excuse they used, it's an incredibly flimsy one; I've never heard of a public school requiring that your date must also be from that school. I attended three proms and five or six homecoming dances over the course of my high school education, and every single one of them, either I was bringing a date from another school to my own dance, or I was attending another school's dance with my date.

Though I would really like to see someone attempt to say, "Hey, sure it's okay if you wear a tux and bring your lesbian main squeeze to prom; just make sure she's a lesbian from OUR school, mmkay?" with a straight face.
#13 Mar 24 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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If that's the excuse they used, it's an incredibly flimsy one; I've never heard of a public school requiring that your date must also be from that school. I attended three proms and five or six homecoming dances over the course of my high school education, and every single one of them, either I was bringing a date from another school to my own dance, or I was attending another school's dance with my date.

Though I would really like to see someone attempt to say, "Hey, sure it's okay if you wear a tux and bring your lesbian main squeeze to prom; just make sure she's a lesbian from OUR school, mmkay?" with a straight face.

When did you graduate from school?
#14 Mar 24 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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I went to 4 proms and not once with anyone I went to school with.
#15 Mar 24 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:

When did you graduate from school?


Longer ago than I care to admit, but I sincerely doubt kids have stopped dating outside their own schools in the intervening years.
#16 Mar 24 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I went to 4 proms and not once with anyone I went to school with.


Hussy.

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#17 Mar 24 2010 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Assassin Nadenu wrote:
I went to 4 proms and not once with anyone I went to school with.


Hussy.


Joo got it.
#18 Mar 24 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
Sir Xsarus wrote:
If I remember correctly it was because her guest was not a member at the school. If they were they could have just come and no one would likely have said anything, I can't imagine someone getting turned away due to wearing a suit as opposed to a dress, but I also don't live there.

Over here, if it were even an issue, which I doubt it would be, just showing up would likely have been the solution, but it sounds like that wasn't the case here.


Wrong, and wrong.

She was told she had to wear a dress, and the prom rules were that dates had to be members of the opposite sex.

Had she "just shown up" like you and some others have suggested (which seems like a bad solution no solution at all to me) she faced the very real possibility of being tossed out of her own prom.

It seems pathetic to me that people actually think that "just showing up" to avoid the rules is better than openly challenging them and getting these rules changed.
#19 Mar 24 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:

When did you graduate from school?


Longer ago than I care to admit, but I sincerely doubt kids have stopped dating outside their own schools in the intervening years.

I think you miss my point. It's not that kids have changed. I graduated nearly 20 years ago, and it wasn't a problem at all to take someone not at your school. We had 3 high schools in town and it was common. You did have to register that person, however.

Recently, a very dear friend of mine who still lives back home told me that her daughter (born our senior year) was denied the opportunity to bring her boyfriend (of high school age, but from the neighboring city) to her Senior prom. This is at the same high school we graduated from that allowed the very same thing in the 90's.

The only point is that times are changing. It's been long enough for me that my recollections of my experiences are no longer indicative of the average experience today.
#20 Mar 24 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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For what it's worth, I graduated from high school last May and our policy was that dates from other schools were okay. Some of the other schools in the area required you to submit a request, in writing, which would almost always be approved provided that the partner didn't have a violent criminal record. I've never heard of a school that just flat-out prevents you from bringing anyone from another school, though.
#21gbaji, Posted: Mar 24 2010 at 2:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Schools come up with dress and conduct codes without the ACLU involved all the time. She could have spoken with the ASB. She could have spoken with her counselors. She could have spoken to the principle. She could have spoken to the PTA (or whatever they're calling it now). She could have addressed the actual rules for the prom in a mature manner. Had she done this, the rules might have been changed. But if they weren't, then it wasn't because of some monolithic government conspiracy to infringe her rights, but because the collective body of students, teachers, administrators, and parents don't agree with her views.
#22 Mar 24 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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She was told she had to wear a dress, and the prom rules were that dates had to be members of the opposite sex.

Blah blah blah, kicked out because of dress code, watch me ignore the fact that she also was told she'd be kicked out for bringing a female date, blah blah, there's a right way to deal with this (ie, don't go), watch me ignore that she asked permission, was denied, and then went to the ACLU and the TOTALLY LOGICAL RESPONSE was the school cancelling the prom...




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Had she "just shown up" like you and some others have suggested (which seems like a bad solution no solution at all to me) she faced the very real possibility of being tossed out of her own prom.


Had she shown up, properly attired, she could have danced with anyone she wanted. [/quote]

False. She was told she would be told to leave if she danced with her girlfriend, and they could not show up together. Please stop making stuff up. I'd write more, but I've run out of time for the day.
#23 Mar 24 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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Once upon a time, black people had to sit at the back of the bus. Someone challenged that rule.
#24 Mar 24 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
I knew someone would go the "she should've just followed the rules" route. I really thought it'd be Varrus.
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Once upon a time, black people had to sit at the back of the bus. Someone challenged that rule.


And they lived happily ever after.

I remember when the prom debate used to center on how expensive prom night was from the formal wear to the flowers to the dinner to the limo to the after party.
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I remember when the prom debate used to center on how expensive prom night was from the formal wear to the flowers to the dinner to the limo to the after party.

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