Here is what I can find on cocaine vs. crack. I can't find any evidence justifying a hundred times harsher sentencing for one over the other.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/276/19/1580
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00952999108992806
http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.pu.17.050196.001355
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Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
This thread just reminded me of another area in which major flawed legislation is being fixed. The infamous No Child Left Behind act is up for some serious renovation and amongst other things (not all of which I agree with...there are a lot of details) the two major flaws are being redressed: first that only math and reading are tested and second that the only number which counts is the pass/fail rate. The existing law results in only focusing on reading and math and only for students who are somewhat near the pass/fail line.
BrownDuck wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
24,090 spliffs in 11 years. Sounds like a pretty 'safe' drug to me.
If he smoked them all in one day it would be an overdose.
He smoked them over 11 years.... And the article says he died after experiencing a headache and recorded death by misadventure. No where does it say he died from the cannabis itself.
He probably had a aneurism trying to remember where he left the second controller for his PS3. Or his Rizla. Or his.......ummmm. I'm hungry, anyone wanna go down the shop and get some munchies?
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
BrownDuck wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
Death by misadventure?
That's what Munchausen was doing wrong.
That's what Munchausen was doing wrong.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
yossarian wrote:
This thread just reminded me of another area in which major flawed legislation is being fixed. The infamous No Child Left Behind act is up for some serious renovation and amongst other things (not all of which I agree with...there are a lot of details) the two major flaws are being redressed: first that only math and reading are tested and second that the only number which counts is the pass/fail rate. The existing law results in only focusing on reading and math and only for students who are somewhat near the pass/fail line.
Don't forget the part where high-performing schools are punished for not improving enough.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
BrownDuck wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
Yeah, but you've never been one for critical thinking. No disease + cannabis in bloodstream =/= death by cannabis poisoning.
paulsol wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
the article wrote:
His death, registered as having been caused by cannabis toxicity
Quote:
He probably had a aneurism trying to remember where he left the second controller for his PS3. Or his Rizla. Or his.......ummmm. I'm hungry, anyone wanna go down the shop and get some munchies?
the article wrote:
Michael Howells, the Pembrokeshire coroner, said Mr Maisey was free from disease and had not drunk for at least 48 hours. Autopsy tests showed a high level of cannabinoids in his blood.
I'm not saying the story is a negative argument against smoking weed or that weed is suddenly "dangerous". I was just refuting the claim that cannabis alone had never "ever ever" caused anyone's death.
Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:21am by BrownDuck
BrownDuck wrote:
[quote=the article]Michael Howells, the Pembrokeshire coroner, said Mr Maisey was free from disease and had not drunk for at least 48 hours. Autopsy tests showed a high level of cannabinoids in his blood.
He may well have had 'a high level of cannabinoids in his blood', but that doesn't mean they were the cause of death.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Sweetums wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Also, nobody ever, anywhere, ever ever, has died of a marijuana overdose.
Overdose? Sounds like it to me.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Anything and everything is bad for you in the right dose and combination. Suggesting that we can safeguard the populous from themselves by legislating risk out of existence is ludicrous and counterproductive.
Yep. You can die from drinking too much water. Ban water!11!1!
gbaji wrote:
The powder (or salt) form of cocaine cannot be smoked. Ok. It can, but you wont get high, you'll just burn your coke into a mess. Only the base (freebase) form or the crack form of cocaine can be smoked. The base form is more expensive to obtain than the powdered form. The reason crack is such a big deal is that it's an inexpensive way to produce a smokable product.
As to effects? At the risk of linking a Wiki page, for the most part the facts are correct:
Time for peak effect when snorting powder form: 14.6 minutes
Time for peak effect when injecting liquid form: 3.1 minutes
Time for peak effect when smoking either base or crack form: 1.4 minutes
People using crack cocaine should get stiffer sentencing because they reach the 'peak high' quicker (although the 'high' will be of a shorter duration). How high, the kind of high, the length of said high are all irrelevant. Sentencing is and rightly so determined by this peak high?
Cocaine, regardless of the way it is administered, is very addictive. National Institute on Drug Addiction tells me so, without making any distinction on the route of entry.
Personally, I would think that the drug is going to affect you based on what you're used to. Someone snorting coke and kicking back and relaxing for that 14 minute peak is looking for the same thing someone smoking crack is.
Also, as I started this post a gram of coke is a gram of coke. If possession is against the law, it needs to be a consistent law. Argue it all you want, but it simply sounds as if you are trying to justify your own habit, OR, you really are as bigoted as you make yourself out to be and don't think poor/black/uneducated/fringe/gay people are worth as much as you middle-class white boys.
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