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#1 Mar 22 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Possession of crack cocaine and powder cocaine have very different punishments. The two drugs are supposedly the same strength so a gram is a gram is a gram, I guess, but possession of crack cocaine comes with a much longer sentence..like a 100 to 1 disparity. The Senate, last week, approved a measure to reduce the disparity down to 18 to 1.

Crack cocaine users are poorer and blacker than powder cocaine users, so the sentencing can be viewed as highly discriminating.

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This controversy should serve as an example as to what happens after Congress passes a bad bill. The disparity was embedded in the Anti-Drug Abuse Act in 1986 in a Beltway anti-drug frenzy. Over time, its ill effects have become evident. In 1995, the U.S. Sentencing Commission recommended that Congress rewrite the law to equalize the sentences. Nothing changed.


While it may seem that 25 years is a long time to get a bad bill fixed, with our bureaucracy it's really not.

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Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 7:20pm by Elinda
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#2 Mar 22 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Crack is whack.
#3 Mar 22 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is why I tend to look askance at bills (or local laws, for that matter) that are rushed through as a reaction to a specific issue. Too often they're poorly thought out, poorly written, or off the mark altogether.

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#4 Mar 22 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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The reasoning behind this disparity is obvious.

When these guidelines came out, crack was the junk of choice for poor urban black men, whereas cocaine was the nectar of rich successful white men. Lawyers whose lunch consisted of a martini and a bump had no problems with prosecuting a Lateef or Rashan who just blew half their face off with a pipe.
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#5 Mar 22 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Lateef and Rashan were also gunning it out on the streets with automatic weapons, while Larry the lawyer and his coke party pals were not. THAT was the reason behind the disparity in sentencing. Crack was perceived as behind the massive drug violence of the day.
#6 Mar 22 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lateef and Rashan were also gunning it out on the streets with automatic weapons, while Larry the lawyer and his coke party pals were not. THAT was the reason behind the disparity in sentencing. Crack was perceived as behind the massive drug violence of the day.
Who would fight over it if you could get your crack on sale from Wal-Mart?

Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 1:06pm by Sweetums
#7 Mar 22 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Deathwysh wrote:
Lateef and Rashan were also gunning it out on the streets with automatic weapons, while Larry the lawyer and his coke party pals were not. THAT was the reason behind the disparity in sentencing. Crack was perceived as behind the massive drug violence of the day.


And it was all perception. It was never about the drugs, for the dealers, and always about the money.

Larry and his pals were pouring a metric fUCk ton of money into the pockets of the cartels. Rashan and Lateef? Chump change.

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#8 Mar 22 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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And it was all perception. It was never about the drugs, for the dealers, and always about the money.

Larry and his pals were pouring a metric fUCk ton of money into the pockets of the cartels. Rashan and Lateef? Chump change.

Proof that if you keep it off the streets and the front pages, no one really gives a sh;t about drugs, so we should legalize them all immediately.
#9 Mar 22 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm amenable. Sure would ease the prison overcrowding.

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#10 Mar 22 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure it would also tickle Moe's "let's watch natural selection in progress" senses.
#11 Mar 22 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure it would also tickle Moe's "let's watch natural selection in progress" senses.

This. And you get my rate up for this thread.
#12 Mar 22 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Legalizing drugs would accomplish 4 things

- Ease prison overcrowding
- Give Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson something to agree with the religious right about
- Virtually eliminate the welfare class
- Put a, how did Samira put it, "metric fUck ton" of money in the state's coffers.
#13 Mar 22 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Marijuana legalization thread now that Healthcaregateâ„¢ is over?
#14 Mar 22 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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Legalizing drugs is probably a good move.
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#15 Mar 22 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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Marijuana legalization thread now that Healthcaregateâ„¢ is over?

Over?
#16 Mar 22 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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The Law of Unintended Consequences > The Law of Gravity > Any legislation.

And yep, for all of MoebiousLol's reasons, and then some, decriminalise all drugs.
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#17 Mar 22 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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NephthysWanderer wrote:
Marijuana legalization thread now that Healthcaregateâ„¢ is over?

Over?


Totally.
#18 Mar 22 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
See, sane Dems and Republicans CAN see eye to eye on some issues.

Legalize marijuana and tax the **** out of it. Legalize crack and tax the **** out of it. Bam, prison overcrowding solved and healthcare paid for.

If people are allowed to give themselves cancer with tobacco, then everyone else should be allowed to get a little high once in a while.
#19 Mar 22 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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I like getting high while giving myself cancer.

I'm having deja vu.
#20 Mar 22 2010 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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See, sane Dems and Republicans CAN see eye to eye on some issues.

Legalize marijuana and tax the sh*t out of it. Legalize crack and tax the sh*t out of it. Bam, prison overcrowding solved and healthcare paid for.

If people are allowed to give themselves cancer with tobacco, then everyone else should be allowed to get a little high once in a while.
Lol. yeah if it were that easy.

If marijuana becomes legal, on what grounds do you justify taxing it anymore than say, herbal tea?

If it is legalized on the basis of it's health benefits, you'll be hard pressed to tax it at all.

While I have no issues legalizing the smoking of a naturally occurring substance (pot), I don't know if I feel the same way about cocaine, especially crack cocaine. You can't make your own booze because it's dangerous to have stills in your house or garage and moonshine can be deadly if not properly distilled. Crack cocaine is made in a similar process but add in pressurized ammonia. Cocaine does not provide any recognized health benefits.

So, ok, Cocaine is made and sold by licensed companies to insure it's good clean stuff and made safely. Now we 'tax the sh*t' out of it. Again, how do you justify taxing the sh*t out of it. If it's legal it's just another product - you could probably justify taxing it at the same level as booze or cigs.

Keep in mind now you've put a product on the market with an extremely regressive tax on it. Not only will it require lots of legislation and oversite, but it will probably not be affordable by the people that are hooked on it. So the trade remains underground.

Mostly, I'm not for legalizing cocaine because not only is it dangerous to make, but also to use. If it was deemed just another drug to be put into pill form and doled out to the public through prescriptions...well so be it. But to legalize it simply to ease the stress on law enforcement is not enough of a reason, imo. Also, Pulp Fiction has scarred me for life.

The word on the street is that legalizing pot will not create a huge tax stream, and what it does bring in will be spent up regulating the stuff.





Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 10:05pm by Elinda
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#21 Mar 22 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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The word on the street? Smiley: laugh

I don't care that it's potentially zero sum financially. It will result in fewer prison sentences for victimless "crimes".

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#22 Mar 22 2010 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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The word on the street? Smiley: laugh

I don't care that it's potentially zero sum financially. It will result in fewer prison sentences for victimless "crimes".
Yeah. Going to jail for being stoned on 'pot' seems rather silly doesn't it.

I should be arrested for being jacked up on caffeine.
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#23 Mar 22 2010 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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It'll be a very long time before we see any of it legalized. Government is making too much money off it being illegal now. Well, some members of government are...
#24 Mar 22 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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It'll be a very long time before we see any of it legalized. Government is making too much money off it being illegal now. Well, some members of government are...


Also the prison industry. Powerful lobbyists, and so manly and virtuous, and ****.

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#25 Mar 22 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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It'll be a very long time before we see any of it legalized. Government is making too much money off it being illegal now. Well, some members of government are...

You cynic, you. I'm fully aroused, just so you know.
#26 Mar 22 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tobacco is a "naturally occurring substance." It's not very difficult to grow, either. We still "tax the sh*t out of it."

Unaffordable? Cigarettes have a tax of about $1.50 per pack here. That's just the state tax. If you haven't noticed, the poor still smoke the @#%^ out of cigarettes. Despite the tax, it would probably be cheaper overall since you get rid of the black market overhead.

Legalizing it would make it more difficult for minors to get. As it stands, it's pretty easy to procure illegal drugs if you have an interest, especially compared to alcohol (unless you are of age). If an adult wants to do it, who am I to tell them that they can't @#%^ up their life if they get addicted and don't get help? I don't see anyone going to jail for being an alcoholic.



Edited, Mar 23rd 2010 7:40pm by Sweetums
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