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#27 Mar 21 2010 at 10:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think maybe just maybe it's because they know that with this law they can in a few years turn this into a complete take over of the healthcare system and with it complete control over millions.


(1) Pass Obamacare
(2) Get Voted Out of Office
(3) ???
(4) Take Over Complete Health Care System & Control Millions
(5) Profit!


Brilliant! Smiley: laugh
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#28 Mar 21 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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One thing that amuses me is that while Obamacare was a pejorative term used by the right wing pundits, it's likely going to be a legacy term in the long run. Smiley: grin
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#29ThiefX, Posted: Mar 21 2010 at 10:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why is that when the majority of people are against something libs are for (which is almost always) why is it always because "They just don't know" or "Because they're stupid" to know the "truth"
#30 Mar 21 2010 at 10:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why is that when the majority of people are against something libs are for (which is almost always) why is it always because "They just don't know" or "Because they're stupid" to know the "truth"

Because the same polls you rely on to say people don't want it also show that people don't know what's in it? And polls asking about individual components of the bill show a wide disparity between people's support of the components versus their support of the bill?
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#31ThiefX, Posted: Mar 21 2010 at 10:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are doing what a lot of Dem politicians were told over the last few days that the American people in a few years will thank you for doing this.
#32 Mar 21 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Default
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Because the same polls you rely on to say people don't want it also show that people don't know what's in it? And polls asking about individual components of the bill show a wide disparity between people's support of the components versus their support of the bill?


And your doing what libs do every few years when they try to revoke the 2nd amendment.

They claim this huge percentage of people all want gun control but what they fail to mention is that not everyone wants the same version of gun control

Libs have done the same thing with this Bill.They are claiming everyone wants this. They are claiming that if you oppose this bill then your against reform.

Almost everyone wants some reform to healthcare (I do)they like some of the individual parts of the bill (I do)but the bill in itself is a joke. It's a trillion dollar tax increase that will bankrupt this country and that Dems will use to control every aspect of people life.

There are easier faster and cheaper ways to control healthcare costs without doing the damage this bill is gonna cost.

(This is where you say that Republicans had control for 12 years and did nothing and you know what your right they did nothing but that doesn't change the fact that there are easier cheaper and better ways to control healthcare costs without this trillion dollar joke)
#33 Mar 21 2010 at 11:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, if you say so. Boy, I guess the GOP should have actually tried harder to shape the bill instead of just opposing it, huh? Like I said after the Senate bill passed and Frum said today, they put all their chips on killing the bill rather than trying to be a part of it and their gamble lost. So it goes and have fun defending why the GOP didn't really completely fuck this one up. Maybe you can pretend that GOP gains in November will make a lick of difference.

Hey, it seems we just passed a health care bill! Hooray! Smiley: smile
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#34 Mar 21 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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The reason I ask is because Obamacare that just passed as a whole the majority of the American people don't want and none of the Dems that voted for it will publicly admit it but they know they are gonna take a beating in the Nov 10 elections but yet they still voted for it.


No, the Dems are going to run on this bill and get re-elected. The Dems are going to run against Republicans that voted against the bill. The Republican incumbents will wail and gnash against socialism, and while that will work in about 75% of Republican districts, it won't fly in any of them that are purple.

Some sane analysis from David Frum: http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
#35 Mar 21 2010 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho needs to read the thread. Smiley: tongue
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#36 Mar 21 2010 at 11:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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When we start seeing the real cost of this in terms of money...It's a trillion dollar tax increase that will bankrupt this country


"We", the people, will never see the "real cost" of this. Ever. Sure, perhaps taxes will go up, but it won't be solely because of healthcare. Unlike in my house, going over budget doesn't seem to stop the government from functioning, at all. We, as a country, cannot go bankrupt as the American consumer is still the world's most valuable asset.

I, personally, would like to thank George W. Bush for getting healthcare passed. For if it were not for his bumbling incompetence, the democrats never would have won the seats of power that were needed in order to win this vote. I didn't think my party was organized enough to accomplish it regardless, but they pleasantly proved me wrong.

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#37 Mar 22 2010 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
I skimmed it. That counts.

That and I'm drunk. So I'm excused.
#38 Mar 22 2010 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
I'm not personally opposed to this (I know roughly how much my health care is on both sides, and barring some enormous fuck-up in the figures, this does roughly nothing to me) but I figure it makes my other job (the one I don't get paid for) easier over the next decade.

This random comment has been brought to you by being sufficiently vague to ensure that I don't run afoul of any sort of IRS regulations about churches and political speech.
#39 Mar 22 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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For what reason will Varus have to go to the emergency room after hearing about this?
Attempted suicide : 0 (0.0%)
Suffocation after mouth froth goes down the wrong way : 1 (7.1%)
Misguided protest : 0 (0.0%)
Hit on the eligible male nurses : 13 (92.9%)
Total: 14


Smiley: lol

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#40 Mar 22 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Good
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The incensed reactions of the people down here will tickle me as I drink their salty tears.
#41 Mar 22 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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For what reason will Varus have to go to the emergency room after hearing about this?
Attempted suicide : 0 (0.0%)
Suffocation after mouth froth goes down the wrong way : 1 (7.1%)
Misguided protest : 0 (0.0%)
Hit on the eligible male nurses : 13 (92.9%)
Total: 14


Smiley: lol

Yeah, nobody believes that the dirty terrorist fornicator is going to do anything different, except maybe himself (or whoever voted for suffocation).
#42 Mar 22 2010 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
Nah, when Health Care reform ends up being a good thing he'll give Dubya the credit.

I apologize in advance for giving him the idea.
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#43 Mar 22 2010 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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So, now that it passed, how soon will we be able to actually put this reform to some use? Or well...how soon should I make some popcorn and watch the news?
#44 Mar 22 2010 at 3:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, at least there's one advantage to having a system of compulsory preferential voting by the whole adult population and a system that elects the Executives and parliamentarians at the same time. When the government proposes and passes a bill that they went to the election campaign with and won that election, then the government at least can claim a "Mandate from the People". Or if you want to be picky "A Probable Mandate from the Majority of the People on That Particular Issue"


The time when Aussies most bitch about the government is when they don't enact a law that they promised they were going to enact when they were running for election. Or if they enact a big law that they didn't mention in the election campaign. Or if the government promised an action/law during the campaign, but when they actually get in and enact it, the details are substantially different from the way it was reasonably understood to be shaped during the campaign.
#45 Mar 22 2010 at 3:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Health insurers, for example, could not deny coverage to children with medical problems or suddenly drop coverage for people who become ill. Insurers must allow children to stay on their parents’ policies until they turn 26. Small businesses could obtain tax credits to help them buy insurance.


These will go into effect sometime this year. All the other changes we have to wait for four years to go into effect, which really sucks.

I'm glad it finally got passed as it's a step in the right direction. It doesn't do nearly enough in my opinion though. I was really hoping for the public option to be included, but maybe at some point in the near future we'll get there.
#46 Mar 22 2010 at 4:08 AM Rating: Good
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'm glad it finally got passed as it's a step in the right direction. It doesn't do nearly enough in my opinion though. I was really hoping for the public option to be included, but maybe at some point in the near future we'll get there.


Ha!

You're funny.
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#47 Mar 22 2010 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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'm glad it finally got passed as it's a step in the right direction. It doesn't do nearly enough in my opinion though. I was really hoping for the public option to be included, but maybe at some point in the near future we'll get there.


Ha!

You're funny.


Yeah I know. I did say maybe! I'm not getting my hopes up.
#48 Mar 22 2010 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
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For what reason will Varus have to go to the emergency room after hearing about this?
Attempted suicide : 0 (0.0%)
Suffocation after mouth froth goes down the wrong way : 1 (7.1%)
Misguided protest : 0 (0.0%)
Hit on the eligible male nurses : 13 (92.9%)
Total: 14
Smiley: lol
Yeah, nobody believes that the dirty terrorist fornicator is going to do anything different, except maybe himself (or whoever voted for suffocation).
I voted for the last option because there was no "all of the above" option.
#49 Mar 22 2010 at 4:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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woohoo, now I can have the government pay for all the hospital visits incurred by my lifestyle
No one's paying for your abortions. Smiley: mad

Bard aside, I was commenting to Joph how sad I think it is that so many people are clueless about what this bill does, on both sides. Some people think that this is a public option, and some think that it means a jobless person that can't afford insurance will be fined $4000. I get pissed off at people who campaign and lobby on misinformation, but I get even more pissed off at people who swallow what they say whole.
#50 Mar 22 2010 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, now that it passed, how soon will we be able to actually put this reform to some use? Or well...how soon should I make some popcorn and watch the news?
Some stuff is within six months, some stuff will take a couple years (such as the OPM administered "government" plan). This year you should see...
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Here are ten benefits which come online within six months of the President's signature on the health care bill:

1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 27th birthday
2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions
3. No more lifetime or annual caps on coverage
4. Free preventative care for all
5. Adults with pre-existing conditions may buy into a national high-risk pool until the exchanges come online. While these will not be cheap, they’re still better than total exclusion and get some benefit from a wider pool of insureds.
6. Small businesses will be entitled to a tax credit for 2009 and 2010, which could be as much as 50% of what they pay for employees’ health insurance.
7. The “donut hole” closes for Medicare patients, making prescription medications more affordable for seniors.
8. Requirement that all insurers must post their balance sheets on the Internet and fully disclose administrative costs, executive compensation packages, and benefit payments.
9. Authorizes early funding of community health centers in all 50 states (Bernie Sanders’ amendment). Community health centers provide primary, dental and vision services to people in the community, based on a sliding scale for payment according to ability to pay.
10. AND no more rescissions. Effective immediately, you can't lose your insurance because you get sick.

A more complete list is here.

Come September/October, the headlines should start saying "Medicare Donut Hole Closes Today", "Free Wellness Exams For Seniors Begins Today" and "Ban on Pre-Existing Condition Exclusions For Children Takes Place Today". Then the GOP can start campaigning to repeal those godless initiatives.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 7:07am by Jophiel
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#51 Mar 22 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe the majority of Americans don't want this Obamacare is because they recognize it what it will do. Maybe they believe that there are easier ways to bring down healthcare costs and without this trillion dollar joke of a bill


Well, y'all have had sixteen years to come up with that simple, easy, cheap way to bring down health care costs and came up with zero, zip, nada, zilch.

Seems like someone screwed the pooch. Hope you both enjoyed it.

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