So, I'm putting my future vegetable garden in this weekend. I'm doing a raised bed, about 12 feet wide, 20 feet long and 1 foot tall.
Anyone have any good gardening secrets one should consider before starting?
I already have the 4" ceder posts that i'll be using for the raised bed, since they were here when I bought the place. The area the garden will be in is decent soil, i'm getting 2 yards of garden dirt brought in tomorrow-ish. The irrigation system will get put in play at the same time I do the rest of the yard sometime later this month, early next month.
I'm thinking carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, beans, snow peas, brussle sprouts, maybe some lettuice, maybe a watermellon just for the heck of it.
So yeah, make with the gardening knowledge!
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It doesn't take a gardener to know that brussels sprouts are gross.
I like brussle sprouts. they are awsome.
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set yourself up with an herbs/spices corner.
Fresh chives are amazing, etc.
Fresh chives are amazing, etc.
Bardalicious wrote:
set yourself up with an herbs/spices corner.
Fresh chives are amazing, etc.
Fresh chives are amazing, etc.
Ooohh, good idea. I need some basil and oregano anywyas. Maybe some sage and Thyme too.
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You could also try growing chili or bell peppers. And lettuce. Ripping a fresh lettuce leaf off the plant when making a sammich is the best.
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It tends to be somewhat colder and rainy up here, will Bell peppers do well? I don't remember us ever growing any when I was a kid.
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Nobby's Gardening Tips
1. Urinating on root vegetables while drunk is not as productive as you might think at the time
2. Dancing on vegetables while drunk is awesome, but does impact on yield. See 1.
3. Put netting over plants while they're young, tender, and the equivalent of a neon 'all you can eat buffet' sign to birdies.
4. It isn't possible to grow meat, even in the most fertile soil. Trust me. God knows I tried.
5. Composted grass cuttings and vegetable waste (potato peelings, onion skins etc.) make great fertiliser. AA Batteries, car tires and broken TVs - not so much.
6. Talking to plants can be effective, but think tactically. Calling your parsnips a bunch of pasty, insipid-looking twats will make your carrots grow with orangey self-esteem.
1. Urinating on root vegetables while drunk is not as productive as you might think at the time
2. Dancing on vegetables while drunk is awesome, but does impact on yield. See 1.
3. Put netting over plants while they're young, tender, and the equivalent of a neon 'all you can eat buffet' sign to birdies.
4. It isn't possible to grow meat, even in the most fertile soil. Trust me. God knows I tried.
5. Composted grass cuttings and vegetable waste (potato peelings, onion skins etc.) make great fertiliser. AA Batteries, car tires and broken TVs - not so much.
6. Talking to plants can be effective, but think tactically. Calling your parsnips a bunch of pasty, insipid-looking twats will make your carrots grow with orangey self-esteem.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
It tends to be somewhat colder and rainy up here, will Bell peppers do well? I don't remember us ever growing any when I was a kid.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
The only tip I have is grown lots of things you like that are going up in price right now.
You listed tomatoes which is a good call since the long winter ****** those crops big time.
You also listed lettuce...which is cheap as the **** and for my buck I would rather just pick up at the store than have to work for it.
But have fun man. Grow something crazy like ghost chilies or square water melons. Once the fruit starts to bud you just build a cube out of clear acrylic and liquid nails/a few screws with a hole big enough for the stem to have room to grow.
The best part is that all the seeds grow in a clump in the center sometimes AND it wont ever roll of the table and kill a wombat.
You listed tomatoes which is a good call since the long winter ****** those crops big time.
You also listed lettuce...which is cheap as the **** and for my buck I would rather just pick up at the store than have to work for it.
But have fun man. Grow something crazy like ghost chilies or square water melons. Once the fruit starts to bud you just build a cube out of clear acrylic and liquid nails/a few screws with a hole big enough for the stem to have room to grow.
The best part is that all the seeds grow in a clump in the center sometimes AND it wont ever roll of the table and kill a wombat.
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Needs more cucumber.
Rosemary likes to grow on walls.
My best tip: plant a border of marigolds around your garden. Bugs, especially the beetle types, hate them.
Basil and fennel are easy to grow - so easy you'll probably want to confine them to containers. Keep them pruned down or they'll go to seed. Beans and peas, too - they'll get weedy if you let them.
Tomatoes will want the sunniest spot you can give them.
My best tip: plant a border of marigolds around your garden. Bugs, especially the beetle types, hate them.
Basil and fennel are easy to grow - so easy you'll probably want to confine them to containers. Keep them pruned down or they'll go to seed. Beans and peas, too - they'll get weedy if you let them.
Tomatoes will want the sunniest spot you can give them.
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Have you considered your varmint incursion counter-measures? Small woodland creatures can devastate a garden in an amazingly brief span. Chicken wire helps. A Jack Russell Terrier patrolling your garden helps even more.
Having a woman in the house is normally the best way to get a garden.
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Also, I have no idea whether you have room or interest, but plants love compost, and a compost heap is a great way to dispose of clippings, rinds, etc.
Don't feel like you have to grow vegetables in straight rows just because that's how the big farmers do it. You don't need to worry so much about using tractors and what not, so feel free to clump things together.
For example, tomatoes, beans and peppers will grow well together, and there's some evidence that they'll provide each other with some protection from bugs - maybe the combined smells confuse them, I dunno. Aside from that, they'll look really pretty together.
Don't feel like you have to grow vegetables in straight rows just because that's how the big farmers do it. You don't need to worry so much about using tractors and what not, so feel free to clump things together.
For example, tomatoes, beans and peppers will grow well together, and there's some evidence that they'll provide each other with some protection from bugs - maybe the combined smells confuse them, I dunno. Aside from that, they'll look really pretty together.
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Marigolds keep out beatles? huh. I didn't know that. I definitly have 1 or two beatle thingies around here Actually they are black bugs with a red stripe all eround, 6 legs, kinda beatle shaped but more angular. Dunno what they are. But they are all over the place. Also the dreaded slugs, which I have effective deterrent measures for
For anti varmaint measures, other than the craploads of preying mantis's that I seem to ahve around here, I was thinking of building some hoops out of galvanized tubes and using them to support a mesh of plant screen stuff. That would let me turn a portion of the area into a quasi greenhouse too, and i could take it down as needed. That might wait until the shed goes in though someday so I have a place to put the hoops when not in use. That and or chemical warfare. Mosquito lasers too if I can buy some!
I'll probably put some herbs in a planter at some point, but I need to finish putting the rest of the back poarch in before i can do that. The current one is quite small. Might do a mini deck instead depending on what the prices end up looking like when i finally get around to building it, but the planters that will go on whatever it ends up being will have to wait until then, or sit on the "grass". (well, moss with a chance of grass blades is more accurate there, but I'm working on that too. people that used to own this place really let the yard go to ****)
For anti varmaint measures, other than the craploads of preying mantis's that I seem to ahve around here, I was thinking of building some hoops out of galvanized tubes and using them to support a mesh of plant screen stuff. That would let me turn a portion of the area into a quasi greenhouse too, and i could take it down as needed. That might wait until the shed goes in though someday so I have a place to put the hoops when not in use. That and or chemical warfare. Mosquito lasers too if I can buy some!
I'll probably put some herbs in a planter at some point, but I need to finish putting the rest of the back poarch in before i can do that. The current one is quite small. Might do a mini deck instead depending on what the prices end up looking like when i finally get around to building it, but the planters that will go on whatever it ends up being will have to wait until then, or sit on the "grass". (well, moss with a chance of grass blades is more accurate there, but I'm working on that too. people that used to own this place really let the yard go to ****)
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Having a woman in the house ...
Yeah I'm working on that too.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Actually they are black bugs with a red stripe all eround, 6 legs, kinda beatle shaped but more angular. Dunno what they are. But they are all over the place.
Box elder bugs? They're harmless to gardens if that's the case.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Actually they are black bugs with a red stripe all eround, 6 legs, kinda beatle shaped but more angular. Dunno what they are. But they are all over the place.
Box elder bugs? They're harmless to gardens if that's the case.
Thats about the right shape, the ones I have are alot more black than that. I'll take a picture of one tomorrow.
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The No-Dig Garden.
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:32pm by Aripyanfar
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Step 1
Mark out the area and edge it with bricks or any material that will contain the soil when it is built.
Step 2
Cover the entire area with wads of newspaper a good half centimetre thick to smother any weeds. Overlap the pages so there are no gaps for weeds to grow through, and avoid using as much coloured print as possible. Water the area newspaper well so that it starts breaking down immediately.
Step 3
Cover the area with pads of lucerne hay, which will break down easily. This could be substituted by pea-straw or crop-straw like rye or canola, whatever is cheap and available. Crop-straw is usually less expensive than lucerne or pea-straw, but is lower in nitrogen. Water the straw lightly.
Step 4
Next apply a layer of organic fertiliser. Chicken manure is excellent because it has high amounts of nitrogen, which helps the breakdown high carbon materials, but any farm manure will perform the function.
Step 5
Add a 20-centimetre [8 inches] layer of loose straw.
Step 6
Add another layer of manure and again water lightly. Of course you can create as many layers as you like.
Step 7
Finally, you will need some good compost to plant the seeds and seedlings into. If there is enough available, the whole surface area of the garden could be covered with compost to about 10 cm. Alternatively pockets of compost can be created for planting so that it can support a new plant while the new garden is breaking down.
Some people like to leave the whole bed until it has broken down, but it is not always necessary. Initially it is better to grow established seedlings in a new no-dig garden rather than direct sowing. The best plants to use are potatoes and the shallow rooted plants like brassica’s, lettuces and cucurbits. and even some annuals and perennials.
Once the garden is more mature it is much easier to establish the deeper-rooted crops when the soil has broken down.
Mark out the area and edge it with bricks or any material that will contain the soil when it is built.
Step 2
Cover the entire area with wads of newspaper a good half centimetre thick to smother any weeds. Overlap the pages so there are no gaps for weeds to grow through, and avoid using as much coloured print as possible. Water the area newspaper well so that it starts breaking down immediately.
Step 3
Cover the area with pads of lucerne hay, which will break down easily. This could be substituted by pea-straw or crop-straw like rye or canola, whatever is cheap and available. Crop-straw is usually less expensive than lucerne or pea-straw, but is lower in nitrogen. Water the straw lightly.
Step 4
Next apply a layer of organic fertiliser. Chicken manure is excellent because it has high amounts of nitrogen, which helps the breakdown high carbon materials, but any farm manure will perform the function.
Step 5
Add a 20-centimetre [8 inches] layer of loose straw.
Step 6
Add another layer of manure and again water lightly. Of course you can create as many layers as you like.
Step 7
Finally, you will need some good compost to plant the seeds and seedlings into. If there is enough available, the whole surface area of the garden could be covered with compost to about 10 cm. Alternatively pockets of compost can be created for planting so that it can support a new plant while the new garden is breaking down.
Some people like to leave the whole bed until it has broken down, but it is not always necessary. Initially it is better to grow established seedlings in a new no-dig garden rather than direct sowing. The best plants to use are potatoes and the shallow rooted plants like brassica’s, lettuces and cucurbits. and even some annuals and perennials.
Once the garden is more mature it is much easier to establish the deeper-rooted crops when the soil has broken down.
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 11:32pm by Aripyanfar
Bardalicious wrote:
Fresh chives are amazing, etc.
That. The cost of them in the grocery store is ridiculous. It's pretty hard to kill chives, too. I do find I have to divide mine once a year.
Also, if you are growing your lettuce from seed I suggest planting groupings of one or two in 2 week intervals or so. It really sucks when they all mature and then go bitter because you can't eat it fast enough.
1. Get a 50 gallon barrel
2. Add 5-10 gallons of manure
3. Fill with water and let sit for a week, stirring occasionaly (once or twice a day)
4. Vigorously stir on day 8 and bucket the stuff evenly on your plot
5. ???????
6. ZOMFGWTFBBQ best garden evar!
For the record, this concoction is known as "manure tea".
An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.
Samira is dead correct on the marigold thing.
Thanks to my kids (long ago, back in the Shire) I learned that if one plants carrot seeds in groups instead of a row, one will get square carrots, which are pretty awesome.
2. Add 5-10 gallons of manure
3. Fill with water and let sit for a week, stirring occasionaly (once or twice a day)
4. Vigorously stir on day 8 and bucket the stuff evenly on your plot
5. ???????
6. ZOMFGWTFBBQ best garden evar!
For the record, this concoction is known as "manure tea".
An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.
Samira is dead correct on the marigold thing.
Thanks to my kids (long ago, back in the Shire) I learned that if one plants carrot seeds in groups instead of a row, one will get square carrots, which are pretty awesome.
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Hmmm, missed a couple of thing.
On the marigold issue, be very liberal with the seeds. A thin line won't be all that helpful. You are seeking more of a "hedge" of marigolds. They also re-seed themselves, so in a few seasons you will have a Berlin Wall of marigolds.
Do not let tobacco in any form anywhere near your garden or tobacco mosaic virus will kill your tomatoes dead.
A rubber snake in the garden is fairly effective at keeping the birds away. Use as past of an overall anti-avian plan.
I'll get ahold of my mom's Tobasco-based organic bug spray and post it later. Plant-friendly; non-toxic to pets.
On the marigold issue, be very liberal with the seeds. A thin line won't be all that helpful. You are seeking more of a "hedge" of marigolds. They also re-seed themselves, so in a few seasons you will have a Berlin Wall of marigolds.
Do not let tobacco in any form anywhere near your garden or tobacco mosaic virus will kill your tomatoes dead.
A rubber snake in the garden is fairly effective at keeping the birds away. Use as past of an overall anti-avian plan.
I'll get ahold of my mom's Tobasco-based organic bug spray and post it later. Plant-friendly; non-toxic to pets.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
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An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.
Yes! I'd forgotten this one. Slugs and snails are suckers for beer.
Emptying it out is gross, though.
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Samira wrote:
Quote:
An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.
Yes! I'd forgotten this one. Slugs and snails are suckers for beer.
Emptying it out is gross, though.
Not nearly as much fun as shaking salt on the little buggers, but less laboUr intensive.
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One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Having a woman in the house ...
Yeah I'm working on that too.
Also: DON'T GROW SPAGHETTI SQUASH.
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