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Obama actually has a secret stash of doubloons he uses to pay Congress.
Joseph Cao, the sole Republican vote from the old House bill has softened his stance against the current bill (he was a "No") and promised Obama that he would re-study the Senate language regarding abortion before making a decision.
The conservative outlet reports of all these undecideds and piles of missing votes is just whistling past the graveyard. Momentum has been rolling for the Democrats the last few days and anyone who thinks that there's actually still forty-odd "undecideds" needs to stop reading about politics.
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 12:46pm by Jophiel
The conservative outlet reports of all these undecideds and piles of missing votes is just whistling past the graveyard. Momentum has been rolling for the Democrats the last few days and anyone who thinks that there's actually still forty-odd "undecideds" needs to stop reading about politics.
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 12:46pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophed,
lmao...so that's what you're calling reconciliation and the slaugtherhouse rule?
Actually the Dems have hit a brick wall; they don't have the support of the public and they know this. They also know any Dem up for election this year that votes yes will likely lose his seat.
Obamacare will never pass in the senate and the house which is why they're trying every other tactic in the book to push this thing through.
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Momentum has been rolling
lmao...so that's what you're calling reconciliation and the slaugtherhouse rule?
Actually the Dems have hit a brick wall; they don't have the support of the public and they know this. They also know any Dem up for election this year that votes yes will likely lose his seat.
Obamacare will never pass in the senate and the house which is why they're trying every other tactic in the book to push this thing through.
I'm curious, do any of you liberals have anything to say about the fact that caterpilar is anti-obamacare? I mean anything other than simply saying they're big business and evil so they desire whatever the govn throws at them.
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 1:54pm by knoxxsouthy
Edited, Mar 19th 2010 1:54pm by knoxxsouthy
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Actually the Dems have hit a brick wall
When Limbaugh has to keep chanting that all the whip counts are wrong, you know he's scared shitless. My lunch time radio listening was exceptionally fun today
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do any of you liberals have anything to say about the fact that caterpilar is anti-obamacare?
Not really, no. If they've been finding ways to avoid offering health care coverage to their employees then they'd obviously be against having to do so now.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophed,
Why would large businesses not offer healthcare coverage?
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Not really, no. If they've been finding ways to avoid offering health care coverage to their employees then they'd obviously be against having to do so now.
Why would large businesses not offer healthcare coverage?
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Jophed,
Why would large businesses not offer healthcare coverage?
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Not really, no. If they've been finding ways to avoid offering health care coverage to their employees then they'd obviously be against having to do so now.
Why would large businesses not offer healthcare coverage?
because they are cheap douchebags who don't think twice about replacing employees?
Various reasons, I'm sure. Which makes guessing at Cat's intentions a dicey prospect.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophed,
Not various reasons just one. I'll help you out. It wouldn't be cost effective. Now what happens when you force businesses to act in ways that are not cost effective? I think you can handle this one.
Not various reasons just one. I'll help you out. It wouldn't be cost effective. Now what happens when you force businesses to act in ways that are not cost effective? I think you can handle this one.
Labor laws aren't very cost effective.
Why can't I employ children at low wages?
Why can't I employ children at low wages?
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Not various reasons just one.
Of course various reasons.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Why would large businesses not offer healthcare coverage?
Money. If, for example, a company employs 500 full-time employees, it costs them a large amount of money to provide health benefits to each of those employees and their families. But, if they keep a lot of those employees working just below full time, they save a lot of money.
Even larger businesses pay even more. That's as good a reason as any not to offer healthcare coverage. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that that makes sense to me.
I learned this from 3 minutes of searching the internet, so I might be wrong.
10k before the site's inevitable death or bust
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
Alan Watts wrote:
I am omnipotent insofar as I am the Universe, but I am not an omnipotent in the role of Alan Watts, only cunning
Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
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Not various reasons just one. I'll help you out. It wouldn't be cost effective. Now what happens when you force businesses to act in ways that are not cost effective? I think you can handle this one.
They lose money, but if it's just that one thing, they won't go bankrupt unless they're in major trouble already. Just because something isn't cost effective, doesn't mean it will bankrupt a business.
10k before the site's inevitable death or bust
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
The World Is Not A Cold Dead Place.
Alan Watts wrote:
I am omnipotent insofar as I am the Universe, but I am not an omnipotent in the role of Alan Watts, only cunning
Eske wrote:
I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
Cat's executive bonus package for the last year available was about half that amount. Last year they were more profitable than ever.
I'm just finding it hard to produce any tears, here.
I'm just finding it hard to produce any tears, here.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Cat has nothing on old people.
Drift,
I'm not saying caterpilar is going to go bankrupt. What I am saying is if a company is forced, by the govn, to act in ways that harm it's bottom line that's going to at the very least slow growth. That means less employees that means less product being made and sold which in turn hurts the economy. While it's popular to rag on big business because you don't think they're paying their employees enough keep in mind the primary purpose of every business is to make a profit.
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They lose money, but if it's just that one thing, they won't go bankrupt unless they're in major trouble already. Just because something isn't cost effective, doesn't mean it will bankrupt a business.
I'm not saying caterpilar is going to go bankrupt. What I am saying is if a company is forced, by the govn, to act in ways that harm it's bottom line that's going to at the very least slow growth. That means less employees that means less product being made and sold which in turn hurts the economy. While it's popular to rag on big business because you don't think they're paying their employees enough keep in mind the primary purpose of every business is to make a profit.
Samy,
The AMA represents only 25% of the nations doctors. The New England Journal of Medicine reports in a poll that 49% of the physicians would leave medicine or close their practice if the healthcare is enacted.
This means it's not a done deal. Unless of course the govn wants to see nearly half it's physicians close their practice.
The AMA represents only 25% of the nations doctors. The New England Journal of Medicine reports in a poll that 49% of the physicians would leave medicine or close their practice if the healthcare is enacted.
This means it's not a done deal. Unless of course the govn wants to see nearly half it's physicians close their practice.
Did I mention the AMA? No, no, I did not.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samy,
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/19/national/w093616D83.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0iedhW9Y1
I believe this was an exert from your dnc propaganda link.
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James Rohack, the president of the American Medical Association, said Friday that the pending bill isn't perfect, but it's the next step toward real reform of the nation's health care system.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/19/national/w093616D83.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0iedhW9Y1
I believe this was an exert from your dnc propaganda link.
And your point?
Of course it's the first step. Of course it isn't perfect. Did anyone say they believed it to be?
Of course it's the first step. Of course it isn't perfect. Did anyone say they believed it to be?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samy,
Media matters doesn't count as a source try again.
Media matters doesn't count as a source try again.
No? But presumably the NEJM does, since they're the ones who were represented as having conducted the fictitious poll.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
The New England Journal of Medicine reports in a poll that 49% of the physicians would leave medicine or close their practice if the healthcare is enacted.
Hahahaha....
No. Some dressed up version of 1-800-DOCTORS did a poll and published it using the same publisher that the NEJM uses. The NEJM had absolutely nothing to do with that poll and has released statements saying the same.
New England Journal of Medicine wrote:
Recruiting Physicians Today is a free advertiser newsletter published by the Worldwide Advertising Sales and Marketing Department in the publishing division of the Massachusetts Medical Society. Each issue of the newsletter features research and content produced by physician recruiting firms and other independent groups involved in physician employment.
On December 17, 2009 The Medicus Firm, a national physician search firm based in Dallas and Atlanta, published the results of a survey they conducted with 1,000 physicians regarding their attitudes toward health reform. To read their survey results at The Medicus Firm website, click here.
The opinions expressed in the article linked to above represent those of The Medicus Firm only. That article does not represent the opinions of the New England Journal of Medicine or the Massachusetts Medical Society.
On December 17, 2009 The Medicus Firm, a national physician search firm based in Dallas and Atlanta, published the results of a survey they conducted with 1,000 physicians regarding their attitudes toward health reform. To read their survey results at The Medicus Firm website, click here.
The opinions expressed in the article linked to above represent those of The Medicus Firm only. That article does not represent the opinions of the New England Journal of Medicine or the Massachusetts Medical Society.
Ah, Varus, always willing to parrot whatever the talking heads tell him is true
Belkira wrote:
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