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#27 Mar 12 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes. I do. Do you understand that while Jefferson the man was influential, it was not his principles which inspired, but his actions. He was largely acting on the writings of others. It's the difference between the philosopher and the statesman that I'm getting at.

Really? That's the hair you want to try and split to defend your asinine remark? "Ummm... Bolivar was, like, only inspired by Jefferson's actions, not any of the stuff he wrote!"

Christ, you're a tool. Smiley: laugh
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#29 Mar 13 2010 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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And once again I am inevitably reduced to typing, "Yeah, what Joph said."

Seriously, Gbaji? I mean...seriously?
#30 Mar 13 2010 at 12:17 AM Rating: Good
Normally, I wouldn't give a ****. However, Texas being the biggest buyer of text books in the US makes Texas' curriculum directly influence what's put into text books that are bought country wide.

So I give a **** enough to ***** about it.
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#31 Mar 13 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Good
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I was thumbing through my god-daughters middle school world history book. It wasn't too terrible, but it still managed to put a pretty amazing slant on things. Basically, any section covering European and/or Christian history tended to focus on wars, conquests, slavery, and colonialism while everything else seemed to be presented in the most peaceful way possible. It had accurate facts, but was pretty selective about which facts it shared with the students.


So, your objection is that the book's trying to make schoolboys like European history the most?

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The section on Christianity had an amazing amount of focus on the Crusades and the Inquisition, with very little on the positive contributions, philosophical writings, and educational advances related to Christianity in Europe (oh wait! They were just anti-science though weren't they? That's what they taught me in school...). Meanwhile, the section on Islam (which means "peace". And did we mention that it means "peace"), kinds glosses over the violence involved in the conversion of the Arab region, North Africa, and elsewhere, choosing to focus on an explanation of the beliefs. They managed to avoid any mention of the Crusades in that chapter, which is strange if you think about it.


I imagine the book does this to try and compensate for a set of prejudices and facts it assumes you have. It's not intellectually honest, of course, but I doubt its writers are prejudiced against the west or trying to raise others to be.
#32 Mar 13 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Normally, I wouldn't give a @#%^. However, Texas being the biggest buyer of text books in the US makes Texas' curriculum directly influence what's put into text books that are bought country wide.

So I give a @#%^ enough to ***** about it.

Why do they buy the most text books when California has 1/3 more population?
#33 Mar 13 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Normally, I wouldn't give a @#%^. However, Texas being the biggest buyer of text books in the US makes Texas' curriculum directly influence what's put into text books that are bought country wide.

So I give a @#%^ enough to ***** about it.

Why do they buy the most text books when California has 1/3 more population?
We actually have money

Really though, we're actually after California. Texas apparently gets mad easily.


Edited, Mar 13th 2010 12:46am by Sweetums
#34 Mar 13 2010 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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#35 Mar 13 2010 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Normally, I wouldn't give a @#%^. However, Texas being the biggest buyer of text books in the US makes Texas' curriculum directly influence what's put into text books that are bought country wide.

So I give a @#%^ enough to ***** about it.

Why do they buy the most text books when California has 1/3 more population?


They have to buy a lot of new textbooks every couple of years when a different crazy person gets elected into directing the education department. Also, the thriving book burning industry.
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#36 Mar 13 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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For example, the phrase "separation of church and state" has been so misused as to no longer even remotely resemble what Jefferson was actually talking about,


You don't have the capacity to understand what Jefferson "meant" in anything he wrote. I don't mean that you're intentionally applying a self serving connotation to his words that doesn't exist, although that's likely happening also, I mean that you literally don't have the mental horsepower to conceptualize it. Which is fine, but it pretty much makes any discussion with you regarding it useless.

Now, setting aside the list of thinkers who articulated concepts you lack the capacity to understand (and it's a long list :( ), the relevant civics issue here is the modern understanding of church and state. What children learn in public school about what the founders believed is meaningless. People who study the issue *at all* beyond that instruction will immediately realize it's meaningless and inaccurate. People who don't are essentially powerless when it comes to policy. Like you, for instance; unable to understand much of what the founders were about conceptually, and willfully ignorant about much of what you are capable of understanding. Fortunately for society, though, you are completely powerless in every way to effect change of any kind.

Unlike many people who would term themselves progressives, I'm not of the naive opinion that average people, like yourself, can be taught effective critical thinking or reason. I'm of the opinion, rather, that the goal is to lie to easily manipulated people, like you, more effectively so that they arrive at opinion that happens to coincide with fact. You can't teach every man to fish, sometimes you just have to feed them. Hopefully as a political faction we'll become more effective at preying on the low hanging defenseless fruit like you and moving opinion to where we'd like to be. We do need substantially more cynicism, however. There are far too many idealists in our faction, and they can't compete with self hating closeted gay bible clutching sociopaths in terms of manipulating the ignorant masses. Hope springs eternal, though.

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#37 Mar 13 2010 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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#38 Mar 13 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Can't we just give Texas back to Mexico? I mean, why the hell did we want it in the first place...

(besides oil)
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#39 Mar 13 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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So are they just removing anything about the Alamo and putting in it's place a script from the 1950's Disney Davy Crockett movie?
#40 Mar 14 2010 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
Texas walks to the beat of a different drum. That's for sure. I think the people in charge of the textbooks are all complete Idiots. Where I work they teach the kids High school and get them GED's and Graduate them. I once picked up one of the History tests and took it during one of the classes. ( was bored watching the kids) I got 100% and the closest kid was an 80%. The text books are missing so much compared to when I went to school. History is becoming less and less respected and used in school.
#41 Mar 15 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I think that once finish my Masters program here, we'll be finding a new state to move to. If I wanted my children to be retarded, I'd have shaken them like a cocktail. (which, I hope we all know I wouldn't do.)
#42 Mar 15 2010 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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History is becoming less and less respected and used in school.


I blame it on the fact that history teachers are also sports coaches, at least here in Oregon. No seriously, I have a friend who graduated from the other Oregon state college (or rather the other important one) with a bachelor's degree in history and she wanted to be a history teacher. She was told by an adviser not to bother because she couldn't have coached any sport. They told her no high school in the state would hire her as a history teacher unless she could also coach a sport.
#43 Mar 16 2010 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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They told her no high school in the state would hire her as a history teacher unless she could also coach a sport.


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#44 Mar 16 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:
Now, setting aside the list of thinkers who articulated concepts you lack the capacity to understand (and it's a long list :( ), the relevant civics issue here is the modern understanding of church and state. What children learn in public school about what the founders believed is meaningless.


We're talking about history textbooks Smash. Did you really just say that the "history" isn't important to learning history? Why not just cut out the middleman and change the name of the course area to "modern indoctrination" and be done with it?
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