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#52 Mar 11 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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I can't attest to the veracity of the claims myself, obviously. I don't know this girl. I don't know anybody involved. I've only heard a little bit of the story. It's something that's a bit of a difficult subject due to, well, my own fears. There's been very little research into the veracity of rape claims, so I'm (and really most people) left with supposition that's tied to my own biases and fears.

And no one wants to obviate that or devalue it. My hunch is that since the majority of opinion has been tar and feather the guy, Brownie was just trying to make sure the other options were out there. The reaction to that, however, is more telling by far. There is a supposition among most people that a woman who makes the claim can't be lying, and as such there have been a lot of lives ruined needlessly.
There's no question men are hurt greatly by false rape accusations, especially due to the fact that it's a bit of a "guilty until proven innocent" sort of affair and even if you're "proven innocent," so to speak, the stigma never goes away.
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#53 Mar 11 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Obviously none of us know any girls who are vindictive b*tches willing to lie to hurt the person they think has done them wrong.


I'm so glad you know my friends better than I do, Varus! Where would I be without your amazing insight and helpful one-liners?

Brown brings up a decent point; and if I had to pick an alternative to straight-up believing her, it would be that she is seriously confused. But I very much doubt she would cry wolf on this; the only thing I wonder is why it took so long, and she told a different story for so long. Then again, I can't understand her mentality as I am not her and have never gone through what she has, so I wouldn't try to justify her actions in the first place.

I think those are issues she SHOULD talk about with a qualified professional, for sure. And I have suggested that to her.
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#54 Mar 11 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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she had said the sex was pretty good, and rough like how she liked it.


Call me a heartless *******, but anyone who says something like this, only to turn around months later and call it "rape" is either lying through her teeth, or seriously confused. She needs help, more likely from a therapist than the law.


This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy. Smiley: oyvey


Outside of the fact that you might disagree, how is it moronic to consider the fact that her own inconsistencies might be a product of a lie. Either she enjoyed the sex, or she didn't. She claimed both at different times. Why should anyone assume the latter is the truth by default?


I don't see where she lied, necessarily. It's possible that, at first, the sex was great, and she enjoyed it a little rough. Then he raped her. You have no idea if she said that before or after the rape occured, and I have no reason to think she lied about it.

ETA: To clarify (for Moe as much as for BD) the way I read BD's first post was that because the sex was rough, she was calling rape. I apologize for the misunderstanding, BD.

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#55 Mar 11 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't see where she lied, necessarily. It's possible that, at first, the sex was great, and she enjoyed it a little rough. Then he raped her. You have no idea if she said that before or after the rape occured, and I have no reason to think she lied about it.


I never said she lied. I said it was a possibility. From what I know, it's just as likely to be one case or the other. I really don't see why some people feel inclined to lean in one direction or the other based on one account of the situation. At any rate, the situation described by Locke is a hell of a lot less cut and dry than say, a woman turning up the next day beaten, bruised, generally @#%^ed over.

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To clarify (for Moe as much as for BD) the way I read BD's first post was that because the sex was rough, she was calling rape. I apologize for the misunderstanding, BD.


Well given that, I can see why you got defensive by proxy. I would never suggest that a woman asked to be raped because she liked it rough. My suggestion was that it's possible she might never have been raped at all and is merely saying so after the fact for any number of reasons.

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I don't see where she lied, necessarily. It's possible that, at first, the sex was great, and she enjoyed it a little rough. Then he raped her. You have no idea if she said that before or after the rape occured, and I have no reason to think she lied about it.


I never said she lied. I said it was a possibility. From what I know, it's just as likely to be one case or the other. I really don't see why some people feel inclined to lean in one direction or the other based on one account of the situation. At any rate, the situation described by Locke is a hell of a lot less cut and dry than say, a woman turning up the next day beaten, bruised, generally @#%^ed over.


My inclination, when a woman says rape, is to believe her. Given the fact that this woman in particular has been adamant about not wanting to go to the police, and that her boyfriend has no idea she cheated on him, I don't see much of an incentive for her to lie about being raped, and certainly not about having been repeatedly raped.
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#58 Mar 11 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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My inclination, when a woman says rape, is to believe her.


Hope you never end up on a jury for a rape case, then.

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Given the fact that this woman in particular has been adamant about not wanting to go to the police, and that her boyfriend has no idea she cheated on him, I don't see much of an incentive for her to lie about being raped, and certainly not about having been repeatedly raped.


Maybe the guy is threatening to tell her boyfriend now? Maybe she doesn't want the police involved because she knows she'd be caught lying? Again, what you see as reason to believe her, I see as reason to doubt her.
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#59 Mar 11 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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My inclination, when a woman says rape, is to believe her. Given the fact that this woman in particular has been adamant about not wanting to go to the police, and that her boyfriend has no idea she cheated on him, I don't see much of an incentive for her to lie about being raped, and certainly not about having been repeatedly raped.


You know, I get that. But you can turn it just a little bit and the picture changes completely. Her boyfriend doesn't know she cheated, but he would if she reported it.

Say she made the story up because she's histrionic, or whatever, and it makes sense on a lot of levels. Not saying that's true, because (again) I don't know anyone involved; but it's within the realm of the possible.

The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.
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Why did you two break up?


Not that it matters, but...

Stated reason? She felt we were at different places in our lives; I was looking for someone more settled and she was looking for more freedom and new experiences. Actual reason? She fell for another guy (her current boyfriend). Important to note, we broke up before anything happened between the two of them, so I at least thank her for that. Kinda sucked at the time for me, but I got over it and we became friends again later.


To BD:

She and her boyfriend are pretty open about stuff; they both admit they cyber with other people online, for example. Infidelity would cause fights, but they fight a lot anyway; both of them have made out with other people, told their SO later, fought about it, and gotten over it.

Long story short, I don't believe revelation would be a significant threat to their relationship
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My inclination, when a woman says rape, is to believe her.


Hope you never end up on a jury for a rape case, then.


Well, that's not to say my opinion can't be changed, of course. But there's nothing to be gained or lost by believing or disbelieving this story.

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Given the fact that this woman in particular has been adamant about not wanting to go to the police, and that her boyfriend has no idea she cheated on him, I don't see much of an incentive for her to lie about being raped, and certainly not about having been repeatedly raped.


Maybe the guy is threatening to tell her boyfriend now? Maybe she doesn't want the police involved because she knows she'd be caught lying? Again, what you see as reason to believe her, I see as reason to doubt her.


All true. I don't know which of us would be considered the optimist and which would be the pessimist... Smiley: lol

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You know, I get that. But you can turn it just a little bit and the picture changes completely. Her boyfriend doesn't know she cheated, but he would if she reported it.

Say she made the story up because she's histrionic, or whatever, and it makes sense on a lot of levels. Not saying that's true, because (again) I don't know anyone involved; but it's within the realm of the possible.

The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.


Again, all true. I guess I just have this horrible habit of assuming that most people are like me, and this is something I would never lie about. Smiley: frown
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The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.


I'd venture to say they're probably among the majority of rape cases.
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BrownDuck wrote:
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The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.


I'd venture to say they're probably among the majority of rape cases.


I'm not sure where that came from, really.

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She and her boyfriend are pretty open about stuff; they both admit they cyber with other people online, for example. Infidelity would cause fights, but they fight a lot anyway; both of them have made out with other people, told their SO later, fought about it, and gotten over it.

Long story short, I don't believe revelation would be a significant threat to their relationship


That's fine. It's pretty clear you believe her side, and given that you know her and I don't, I wouldn't try to change your mind. My advice is just to use caution regarding your involvement.
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Also, random aside, but histrionic behavior sounds a heck of a lot like being a teenager. I guess "to an extreme" is probably the key point of it.

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A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for histrionic personality disorder is PRAISE ME:[3][4]
P - provocative (or seductive) behavior
R - relationships, considered more intimate than they are
A - attention, must be at center of
I - influenced easily
S - speech (style) - wants to impress, lacks detail
E - emotional lability, shallowness
M - make-up - physical appearance used to draw attention to self
E - exaggerated emotions - theatrical

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The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.


I'd venture to say they're probably among the majority of rape cases.


No, really, what does this mean?

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A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for histrionic personality disorder is PRAISE ME:[3][4]
P - provocative (or seductive) behavior
R - relationships, considered more intimate than they are
A - attention, must be at center of
I - influenced easily
S - speech (style) - wants to impress, lacks detail
E - emotional lability, shallowness
M - make-up - physical appearance used to draw attention to self
E - exaggerated emotions - theatrical


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Samira wrote:
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The problem, of course, is that histrionic drama queens can also be raped.


I'd venture to say they're probably among the majority of rape cases.


No, really, what does this mean?



Quiet, plain girls don't get raped as much.
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Quiet, plain girls don't get raped as much.

No, they do, they just don't go whining about it to ex-boyfriends.
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.


How are you dividing it, into six? I doubt it's a plurality.
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.


Ok.
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.


How are you dividing it, into six? I doubt it's a plurality.


Two is, I believe, the number required to become plural.
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I've only ever heard "plurality" used with regards to voting.

That aside, I had no idea any of the male posters here had ever been raped by women, although I must say it doesn't surprise me.
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.


How are you dividing it, into six? I doubt it's a plurality.


Two is, I believe, the number required to become plural.


As opposed to a majority, I assumed you meant. Yes, I imagine that is the case.
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
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This is kind of moronic sentiment is exactly why I mentioned in another thread that I wondered just how many women would admit to having a rape fantasy.


Yeah, but a similar thing is true on the other side. There are a plurality of male posters on this site whom were raped by females. I'd venture to say that cases like that are even less likely to end up reported due to social pressures.


How are you dividing it, into six? I doubt it's a plurality.


Two is, I believe, the number required to become plural.


As opposed to a majority, I assumed you meant. Yes, I imagine that is the case.


Yeah, I didn't intend to suggest that a majority of male posters were raped. That would be a little bit funny and a little bit sad.
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