As so often happens, I am of two minds about this. The children of a lesbian couple have been, not expelled exactly, but denied re-enrollment.
Clearly the Church like any other provider of a service has the right to refuse service. Legally.
Do they have that right, as we would say, morally? Is the education and we assume the religious safeguarding of a child's soul to be thrown away because the Church finds the child's home setting distasteful?
I suppose there's a difference between the Church, monolithic guardian of Catholic souls and the Church, provider of excellent educational opportunities. But - and this is a question to which I don't know the answer - if the Church's school business gets a tax break, do they have the right to discriminate?
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
It's for the best. catholic schools create the most ****** up kids.
I am of the mind that religious institutions should not receive special tax avoidance capabilities and their subsections should be treated as their secular private equivalencies.
If they do non-profit work, give them tax breaks in the same way other non-profits are given them.
Their private institutions should be given the same jurisdiction over their admissions as any other private school.
If they do non-profit work, give them tax breaks in the same way other non-profits are given them.
Their private institutions should be given the same jurisdiction over their admissions as any other private school.
Just as Planned.
Bardalicious wrote:
It's for the best. catholic schools create the most @#%^ed up kids.
Catholic school girls rule...
In the class she's taking notes
Just how deep deep is my throat
Mother Mary don't you know
She's got eyes like Marylin Monroe
Catholic school girls rule...
From the cross she's raised her head
This is what the sister said
Give no love until you're wed
Live no life until you're dead
The good books says we must suppress
The good books says we must confess
But who cares what the good books says
Cause now she's taking off her dress
Catholic school girls rule...
Lead us into temptation
We are pure divine creation
Talkin' about my generation
Injected with the seed of emaculation
Catholic !
In the class she's taking notes
Just how deep deep is my throat
Mother Mary don't you know
She's got eyes like Marylin Monroe
Catholic school girls rule...
From the cross she's raised her head
This is what the sister said
Give no love until you're wed
Live no life until you're dead
The good books says we must suppress
The good books says we must confess
But who cares what the good books says
Cause now she's taking off her dress
Catholic school girls rule...
Lead us into temptation
We are pure divine creation
Talkin' about my generation
Injected with the seed of emaculation
Catholic !
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
It's for the best. catholic schools create the most @#%^ed up kids.
Just as Planned.
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
It's for the best. catholic schools create the most @#%^ed up kids.
^This. Aren't Catholic All-Girls schools responsible for 60% of the lesbians in the U.S. alone?
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Shaowstrike wrote:
Duke Ikkian wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
It's for the best. catholic schools create the most @#%^ed up kids.
^This. Aren't Catholic All-Girls schools responsible for 60% of the lesbians in the U.S. alone?
To be fair, when they're wearing their uniforms they're more bi than anything.
"I have lost my way
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
But I hear a tale
About a heaven in Alberta
Where they've got all hell for a basement"
Around my hospital, several kids get sent to Catholic school for fear of the gangs in the public school. Title 6 (the law Samira's referring to) prevents discrimination based on race, color or national origin.
I don't agree with what they did, but if they're privately run and funded, they have the right to do it.
How sad for the little girls.
I don't agree with what they did, but if they're privately run and funded, they have the right to do it.
How sad for the little girls.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Around my hospital, several kids get sent to Catholic school for fear of the gangs in the public school. Title 6 (the law Samira's referring to) prevents discrimination based on race, color or national origin.
I don't agree with what they did, but if they're privately run and funded, they have the right to do it.
How sad for the little girls.
I don't agree with what they did, but if they're privately run and funded, they have the right to do it.
How sad for the little girls.
It is sad for them, but they're pretty young. I imagine they'll bounce back once they get settled into a new school and make friends.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
My best friend from my time in Catholic school was gay. He was the kind of boy who, his whole life, was called gay by all the kids in the same school he went to for 8 years. Turns out, they were right. So is this the next step? With kids coming out in their early teens, are Catholic schools going to be able to "deny re-enrollment" of children who, themselves, identify as gay? I mean, isn't that more of an "endangerment" to the children who are actually enrolled?
Samira wrote:
It is sad for them, but they're pretty young. I imagine they'll bounce back once they get settled into a new school and make friends.
That's what makes me sad, that the church that is supposed to teach them about love will actually be remembered for doing the opposite.
Edited, Mar 10th 2010 11:52am by Atomicflea
Flea wrote:
the church that is supposed to teach them about love will actually be remembered for doing the opposite
Yeah, that is in part what I was alluding to when I mentioned the Church's role as spiritual... gatekeepers, whatever. The other part, of course, is the lost opportunity to teach and guide these children as they grow.
OH WELL. Their little souls are just not all that important, I guess.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
For the record, I went to Catholic school for middle school years, and I learned not a single soft skill. Religion class was 95% rote learning from the Bible, family trees and whatnot. ******** mishmash that was a waste of an hour of school time. Not to mention weekly mass on Wednesdays, monthly mass the first Friday, and mass any other time that there was some sort of religious holiday. Oh, the joys of Catholic teaching.
I did not feel privileged to have gone to private school, as I'm sure my dad had hoped. Instead, I felt more of the class divide, and it was really difficult for me during my identity development. I felt that the small size of the school limited my learning options, and in short, I really hated it.
I did not feel privileged to have gone to private school, as I'm sure my dad had hoped. Instead, I felt more of the class divide, and it was really difficult for me during my identity development. I felt that the small size of the school limited my learning options, and in short, I really hated it.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Catholic school girls rule...
I'll just one-up you with the Zap:
Catholic girls
With a tiny little mustache
Catholic girls
Do you know how they go?
Catholic girls
In the rectory basement
Father Riley's a fairy
But it don't bother Mary
Catholic girls
At the cyo
Catholic girls
Do you know how they go?
Catholic girls
There can be no replacement
How do they go, after the show?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Good tune, but no mention of school.
/Dr. Evil
/Dr. Evil
Ok, you got me there. My ruined eye is making it hard to bother reading too much text to make a relevant point.
Instead, I'll just GAZE INTO YOUR SOULLLLLLL
/demon eye
Instead, I'll just GAZE INTO YOUR SOULLLLLLL
/demon eye
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Holy ****, what did you do?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm guessing it's the new implants that allow for independent control over the optics on both cameras.
Samira wrote:
Holy sh*t, what did you do?
Apparently I suffer from ankylosing spondylitis which manifests itself as recurrent arthritis in different locations; my eye, my knees, my lower back, my shoulders. When it hits my eye (every 26 months or so) I have to keep it dilated for a week and use steroidal drops.
That, or it's syphilis and I will soon go insane.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
You... you have arthritic EYES?
That has to be the lamest (no pun intended) thing I've ever heard.
That has to be the lamest (no pun intended) thing I've ever heard.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
(no pun intended)
Why do you lie?
Samira wrote:
The other part, of course, is the lost opportunity to teach and guide these children as they grow.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Samira wrote:
(no pun intended)
Why do you lie?
Because you can't handle the truth.
Guenny wrote:
For the record, I went to Catholic school for middle school years, and I learned not a single soft skill. Religion class was 95% rote learning from the Bible, family trees and whatnot. Bullsh*t mishmash that was a waste of an hour of school time. Not to mention weekly mass on Wednesdays, monthly mass the first Friday, and mass any other time that there was some sort of religious holiday. Oh, the joys of Catholic teaching.
I did not feel privileged to have gone to private school, as I'm sure my dad had hoped. Instead, I felt more of the class divide, and it was really difficult for me during my identity development. I felt that the small size of the school limited my learning options, and in short, I really hated it.
I did not feel privileged to have gone to private school, as I'm sure my dad had hoped. Instead, I felt more of the class divide, and it was really difficult for me during my identity development. I felt that the small size of the school limited my learning options, and in short, I really hated it.
Don't know anything more about the issue than what's in the article, but my knee-jerk reaction is that the lesbian couple must have made their relationship or marriage or whatever an issue publicly in order for this to happen. Catholic diocese are usually pretty darn willing to look the other way for a host of things that are technical violations of faith. It's hard for me to believe that this happened just because two women lived together and sent their kids to the school. They had to have done something like standing up in a parent teacher meeting and insisting that curriculum changes be made to account for their marriage, or protested some anti-gay aspects of the school, or something else equally blatant.
Seriously. If you're looking for a religion that goes out of it's way to find "sinners" to punish and whatnot, the Catholic is pretty much the last one on the list I'd go after...
Seriously. If you're looking for a religion that goes out of it's way to find "sinners" to punish and whatnot, the Catholic is pretty much the last one on the list I'd go after...
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