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#1 Mar 09 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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I's about damn fucking time. Try not to fuck this one up.

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The Supreme Court will review whether anti-gay protests at funerals of American soldiers are protected by the First Amendment, taking up the appeal of a Maryland man who won and then had reversed a $10 million verdict against the small Kansas church that conducts the demonstrations.

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After emotional testimony from Albert Snyder that he had "one chance to bury my son, and they took the dignity away from it," a Baltimore jury awarded Snyder more than $10 million in damages. A district judge cut the amount in half, and then the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond threw out the verdict and award.

The three-judge panel said the signs could not be reasonably understood to be referring directly to Snyder and his son. And the court said that, as offensive as it found Phelps's rhetoric, it was protected as speech concerning issues in the national debate.

#2 Mar 09 2010 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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Disgusting behaviour, but I still think their right to do so should be upheld.
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#3 Mar 09 2010 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
I'm on the fence. I know Phelps is a giant douche for trolling military funerals & was a huge douche back when he protested the funeral of Matthew Shepard...

But being a douche isn't a crime.
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#4 Mar 09 2010 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
I think they do have the right to protest there, and hope that the Supreme Court upholds it. I also believe those ex-military bikers have the right to stand in front of them and walk towards them with very large sticks, accidentally trampling them in the process should they fail to yield.
#5 Mar 09 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
But being a douche isn't a crime.

True, but is willfully disrupting a funeral something you can sue and win for as an interference with a private function?
#6 Mar 09 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
But being a douche isn't a crime.

True, but is willfully disrupting a funeral something you can sue and win for as an interference with a private function?


I think it depends on the funeral. If you are having a private function on public land (like a park for example). You can sue someone for disrupting your function. I'm not up on the details of this case, but I'd guess that it has to do with it being a military funeral. If it's funded by tax dollars, and is held on public land, it may be considered a fully "public" event and therefore anyone has as much right to speak there as the people running the ceremony.

I think that's bogus, but you have to consider the larger implications. The same rules apply to things like town hall meetings, public protests, and any of an assortment of venues where we assume and expect to be able to express our own free speech. Who gets to decide who speaks? I think there ought to be an exception for something like a funeral, but we do have to be careful with how we legally frame the issue as well...
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#7 Mar 09 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think that's bogus, but you have to consider the larger implications. The same rules apply to things like town hall meetings, public protests, and any of an assortment of venues where we assume and expect to be able to express our own free speech. Who gets to decide who speaks? I think there ought to be an exception for something like a funeral, but we do have to be careful with how we legally frame the issue as well...
This. Now kill me.
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#8 Mar 09 2010 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I think they do have the right to protest there, and hope that the Supreme Court upholds it. I also believe those ex-military bikers have the right to stand in front of them and walk towards them with very large sticks, accidentally trampling them in the process should they fail to yield.
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#9 Mar 09 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
While I think the Phelps clan has the right to protest as they see fit, I also think that whenever they're in town, it's your patriotic duty to go counter protest them.
#10 Mar 09 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm seriously considering making a sign along the lines of "I want to fUCk Fred Phelps in his tight puckered ***" and follow them everywhere they go.

You know, it shouldn't be too hard to find their protest schedule and pass such a sign along to cohorts in various cities. Same sign, different person at every protest? They'd freak.

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#11 Mar 09 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
But being a douche isn't a crime.

Not until Proposition 12 passes.
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#12 Mar 09 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Call me a crackpot if you like, but for me it should be illegal to have an organised protest at ANY funeral.

Time and a place and all that.
#13 Mar 09 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
What about Stalin's funeral?
#14 Mar 09 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Isn't he mummified or some such?

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#15 Mar 09 2010 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't he mummified or some such?


Isn't that Lenin?

Hypothetically, though, would someone protesting at Stalin's funeral be in the wrong (or just suicidal)?
#16 Mar 09 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is Lenin, you're right.

I'd carry a sign at Stalin's funeral. It would read, "Quit Stalin".

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#17 Mar 09 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Samira wrote:
Isn't he mummified or some such?


Isn't that Lenin?
Both.
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#18 Mar 09 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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I think it depends on the funeral. If you are having a private function on public land (like a park for example). You can sue someone for disrupting your function. I'm not up on the details of this case, but I'd guess that it has to do with it being a military funeral. If it's funded by tax dollars, and is held on public land, it may be considered a fully "public" event and therefore anyone has as much right to speak there as the people running the ceremony.

I think that's bogus, but you have to consider the larger implications. The same rules apply to things like town hall meetings, public protests, and any of an assortment of venues where we assume and expect to be able to express our own free speech. Who gets to decide who speaks? I think there ought to be an exception for something like a funeral, but we do have to be careful with how we legally frame the issue as well...


It disturbs me that I agree with gbaji.
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#19 Mar 09 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't have a problem with limits on decibels from protesting groups. They could still gather but if they chose to shout and disrupt the service, they could be detained.
#20 Mar 09 2010 at 4:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldn't have a problem with limits on decibels from protesting groups. They could still gather but if they chose to shout and disrupt the service, they could be detained.


Arguably you could pursue that as disturbing the peace, but again it depends on the venue.

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#21 Mar 09 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't have a problem with limits on decibels from protesting groups. They could still gather but if they chose to shout and disrupt the service, they could be detained.


Arguably you could pursue that as disturbing the peace, but again it depends on the venue.


Sounds like a conspiracy to cause an affray to me.
#22 Mar 09 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I'm seriously considering making a sign along the lines of "I want to fUCk Fred Phelps in his tight puckered ***" and follow them everywhere they go.

I'm filing this in my "Samira, the Many Mysteries of" file.

#23 Mar 09 2010 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
I'm seriously considering making a sign along the lines of "I want to fUCk Fred Phelps in his tight puckered ***" and follow them everywhere they go.

I'm filing this in my "Samira, the Many Mysteries of" file.
They're probably used to it . In fact, they probably revel in the extra attention they get.
#24 Mar 09 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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A funeral is for all intents and purposes a religious ceremony, various athiest exceptions aside. If nothing else they should be able to get them on some sort of interference with freedom to express religious beliefs thing. Pretty clear precidence on that one that if your religion and some other religion considetr the same spot holy and you don't play well together, you schedule different days.
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#25 Mar 10 2010 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
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I would say this should not be allowed.

The First Amendment is already restricted (shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre, for instance).




I am down with the savage biker beatdown theory, too. Smiley: thumbsup
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#26 Mar 11 2010 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think they do have the right to protest there, and hope that the Supreme Court upholds it. I also believe those ex-military bikers have the right to stand in front of them and walk towards them with very large sticks, accidentally trampling them in the process should they fail to yield.


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