We would rather be ruined than changedFollow

Their arms are cut off just below the shoulder.

He could be an orderly and push carts with his waist down hospital halls.

EDIT: Why do you hate otherly-abled persons?

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 4:21pm by MoebiusLord

I do not believe that a person can be stopped if they want to work for something that they have the innate ability to become with hard work.

I do not believe that a person can be stopped if they want to work for something that they have the innate ability to become with hard work.

If they're a white man born to the right family, absolutely. If they're not....really not so much.

That said, the insipid whining self pity of people living in the wealthiest, most privileged society in the history of the world rings a little hollow when faced with the day to day struggle for existence faced by most of the people alive at the same time.

How sad for you that you feel the need to wrap people up in little boxes just because of their skin color. I suppose the Clarence Thomas should feel thankful for the skin darkening surgery he had.

Wouldn't not having arms have something to do with your own "ability"?

At the risk of speaking for Moe, if your best efforts fail to net you gains, then either you aren't really trying as hard as you could, or it is an ability issue, or you are setting your expectations higher than you should (again based on your abilities).

I'd also suggest that it can't possibly be true that it hasn't held up for the vast majority of the world's population. I suspect starvation rates would be much much higher than they are if that was really the case. Expectations have to be realistic within the environment one is working in. But within that context, relative success is absolutely based on ability and effort.

Arrogant? Mindless?

You've yet to show how our opinion is "limited" in any way, aside from that you don't agree with it.



Isn't that what you're doing? The difference being that I'm not insisting that everyone else must sacrifice their prosperity on the assumption that I'm right.

I think you have the wrong poster.

If I'm picking up what Moe is putting down, Moe is saying that it's only ability that holds one back. So long as they try their best and have the innate ability, the environment shouldn't matter. Which, I believe, is the problem that most of us have with that idea, considering that the environment does play a large part in why certain individuals with the drive, the ability, and the hard work don't make it as far as their abilities would take them otherwise.

Again, perhaps I misunderstood, but I would think that the environment is exactly one of those "outside forces" that people think are "conspiring against them" that Moe is talking about.

It hasn't been too bad for me until recently. Taxes going up, cost of everyday items going up, they took away our annual homestead rebate here in Jersey to name a few crappy things.

My wife has been in and out of work, and the extra hours I have been financially used to.. have been dissipating..

Listening to the news lately they say its getting better. The stock market is trading stronger and there's hope etc..

Me I think it's going to get worse. I drive a truck simple as can be. there's never been a time that I've really been out of work but now my hours have been cut down to the point that I actually have some time to post here..

As much as I have enjoyed all these luxuries... pool.. hotrod.. motorcycles.. I gotta say I've been looking into a more realistic situation for my wife and I. I might even be forced to buy a sedan with a high mpg rating.

Change sucks, but if you cant adapt you fail.