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#1 Feb 25 2010 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Seems some Indiana employers don't want their employees to bring guns to work.

Apparently this is a problem.

The Senate has approved a bill that would allow employees to bring their gun to work and leave it in their car.

Opponents of the bill say a person’s right to carry a firearm shouldn’t overrule a business’s right to control its property.

Advocates say the bill is needed so that Hoosiers can protect themselves going to and from work.

What do you say?

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#2 Feb 25 2010 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Opponents of the bill say a person’s right to carry a firearm shouldn’t overrule a business’s right to control its property.


This. "You have a right to bear arms" simply means that the government cannot say you can't own a gun, assuming you're an otherwise law abiding citizen. It means **** all when a private business is concerned about the safety of its employees and its clients. If the business doesn't want guns in its parking lot, then people need to pay for parking at a public deck instead.
#3 Feb 25 2010 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Minnesota's conceal and carry law allows establishments to ban guns from their premises, but only the building. If I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and choose to do so, my personal vehicle should be a legal place for that weapon to be stored. People worry too much about the licensed firearms, anyway. In my state, since the inception of the conceal and carry standards, there has been not a single incident of gun crime by a licensed, legally carrying gun owner. It's been 5 years now, at least.
#4 Feb 25 2010 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Wonder if this includes school staff.
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#5 Feb 25 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wonder if this includes school staff.

I hope so. If a gunman comes to my kids' school I would feel better knowing a teacher could whip it out instead of waiting for the police to show up. It would most likely save lives.
#6 Feb 25 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Opponents of the bill say a person’s right to carry a firearm shouldn’t overrule a business’s right to control its property.
This. "You have a right to bear arms" simply means that the government cannot say you can't own a gun, assuming you're an otherwise law abiding citizen.
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#7 Feb 25 2010 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
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Wonder if this includes school staff.

I hope so. If a gunman comes to my kids' school I would feel better knowing a teacher could whip it out instead of waiting for the police to show up. It would most likely save lives.
I think the possibility of you needing that gun to protect yourself is not as great as the possibility that some kid gets his hands on it.

A teacher successfully dis-armed a gun wielding student the other day, without the use of a gun himself.
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#8 Feb 25 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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I think the possibility of you needing that gun to protect yourself is not as great as the possibility that some kid gets his hands on it.

No. It's not easy for a kid 4 feet tall to get at the shoulder holster of a guy that is 2 feet taller than the kid. It's also not easy for a kid to get in to a locked desk drawer.
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A teacher successfully dis-armed a gun wielding student the other day, without the use of a gun himself.

Good for him. I'd have shot the prick.
#9 Feb 25 2010 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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"I'm just, ah, going out to my car for a sec. BRB!"

I'm of two minds, personally. The likelihood of a gun being stolen from a car skeeves me a little bit; presumably most people would lock them away in the trunk so they're at least not visible and they're more than a broken window away. Slightly more.

On the other hand, a person's car is private property, even if it's parked on someone else's property.
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#10 Feb 25 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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Moe wrote:
It's also not easy for a kid to get in to a locked desk drawer.


Ahaha. Wait til yours are a little older before you say that.

And by "kids" getting it from the car or whatever, I'd assume that means teenagers, not toddlers.

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#11 Feb 25 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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"I'm just, ah, going out to my car for a sec. BRB!"

I was thinking more of carrying it on their person or locking it in their desks during the school day.
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Ahaha. Wait til yours are a little older before you say that.

My son can get in to a lot of things, but he can't get at my guns. Not even the one I keep in the living room by the front door.
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And by "kids" getting it from the car or whatever, I'd assume that means teenagers, not toddlers.

Toddlers are 3 footers. 4 footers are like 5 to 8.
#12 Feb 25 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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I think the possibility of you needing that gun to protect yourself is not as great as the possibility that some kid gets his hands on it.

Good for him. I'd have shot the prick.
Lol. Let us know when that gun saves you from the bad guys Moe.
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#13 Feb 25 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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Lol. Let us know when that gun saves you from the bad guys Moe.

I sure will.
#14 Feb 25 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
The real solution to all the gun problems and controversies in the US is obviously to issue a bullet-proof vest to every single American citizen.

There, problem solved.
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#15 Feb 25 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
The real solution to all the gun problems and controversies in the US is obviously to issue a bullet-proof vest to every single American citizen.

There, problem solved.
It's our god-given right to have a Kevlar vest.
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#16 Feb 25 2010 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
The Indiana employers should be allowed to have restrictions like that on the employees if they want. If they don't want guns in their business they should be able t have that as part of the terms of employment.

The businesses can risk the possibility of fewer people willing to work there and those who wish to carry their gun can simply try and find an employer that allows them to.
#17 Feb 25 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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A teacher successfully dis-armed a gun wielding student the other day, without the use of a gun himself.


Now lets see him do it from the other side of the gym.
#18 Feb 25 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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On the other hand, a person's car is private property, even if it's parked on someone else's property.

Yeah, I'm no big fan of firearms being toted about but I argued against smoking bans in cars for the same reason -- your car is your private property. If it's legal to have a properly stored gun in your car, then it should continue to be legal (and legally defensible) when you're in a parking lot even if you're not allowed to roam the parking lot with your 12-gauge.
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#19 Feb 25 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Default
Red,

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The real solution to all the gun problems and controversies in the US is obviously to issue a bullet-proof vest to every single American citizen.


You're right we should just take the french approach and pretend guns were never invented. Problem solved.



#20 Feb 25 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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You're right we should just take the french approach and pretend guns were never invented. Problem solved.


That's the Japanese approach.
#21 Feb 25 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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The real solution to all the gun problems and controversies in the US is obviously to issue a bullet-proof vest to every single American citizen.


You're right we should just take the french approach and pretend guns were never invented. Problem solved.
"Shoot the ******* first" is not a valid principle for people with bad reflexes, which is most of the country.

Why do you hate Americans and not want them to have a chance to shoot back?
#22 Feb 26 2010 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
publiusvarus wrote:
You're right we should just take the french approach and pretend guns were never invented. Problem solved.


The french approach is actually to have as few guns out on the streets as possible. It's been very successul in that we don't actually have a "gun problem" in France. So yeah, the problem was solved before it even appeared.
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#23 Feb 26 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Moe wrote:
It's also not easy for a kid to get in to a locked desk drawer.


Ahaha. Wait til yours are a little older before you say that.


Wow, that brought back a really buried visceral memory. Being pretty young, and into the desk-and-chest-of-drawers dismantling stage. The memory of the smell of wood, and the look of different joins, and finding the zig-zag joins curious. Pushing in draw bases, and forcing the old lock on one of the bureau doors that didn't really work well any more. I think my sister inherited that bureau. Ha ha, sucker.

There were a lot of mismatched glasses in that bureau, and I loved the little sherry glasses, so dainty and pretty. And curious shallow, wide glasses on stems. My mother said that they were an old design of champaigne glasses, and the design of the bowl part was modelled on Marie Antoinette's breasts. I loved things Mum told me when I was a little girl.

The willow pattern china was kept in there too. Mum tried to sell it off in a garage sale last year, and my sister swooped in and rescued it, thank god. How could she get rid of the willow pattern china??? It was so staid and old fashioned and boring when I was young, and so precious and redolent of memories when I was older.


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