Today's quizpollFollow

Why does their graph label "teens" as aged 0-20?

clearly not.

As long as you keep focusing on the salient points, like why you're avoiding your original bit off BS.

After everything I've said here, how's this for shocking: I agree with you 100%.

Your confusion is the result of the simple fact that you look at life from a perspective that no self-respecting conservative could ever embrace. You believe that it is the responsibility of the government to provide these things for people when the appropriate role of the government doesn't include any of them. The role of the government is specifically defined in the constitution. The desire for the government to take money from me to at the barrel of a gun to pay for people not willing (in the vast majority of cases) or not able to pay for themselves is the antithesis of every high ideal of Western thought.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" as a mode of civilization doesn't work. It's been tried repeatedly to resounding failure. It is the reason charity fails. We take so much money from producers that they can't afford the charity. The taking is insufficient to meet the needs of the needy because government bureaucracy spends too much of the money. It also sets the minds of people like me squarely against the solicitations. If those people are allowed to vote, and do nothing more than vote more people in to office willing to rape me every April, f'uck them.

Government has no business in the forced charity game. That is the business of the individual. They can better target the resources.

Yes, I think the government needs to provide a safety net so that everyone can live at at least the very minimum standard of living.
Unless those people are not willing to cooperate with ways to get them back into society.

In the case of the aforementioned crackhead, that would be stopping the drug habit, getting a job and accepting psychological help if needed.
If he is not willing to get rid of drugs, work or get psychological help then they can go to a homeless shelter and rot away or something, but not before he has been offered a chance to get back into society and there should always be that option to get back into society if he is willing to cooperate.

And what if that crackhead is a person close to you?
Would you still prefer them to be shot over being helped because then you'd have to pay less taxes?



Edit: Also, what Catwho said.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 7:24pm by Aethien

This ties in rather neatly with your "get rid of the EPA" comment above.

Yes, it would be a better world if individuals would take care of themselves and do the right things regarding pollution and toxic waste disposal and so on and so forth.

We don't. We won't. We could, but we're lazy and ill-informed and frankly indifferent. This has been well demonstrated throughout history. We should care, we should put forth the effort, but unless we put someone in charge of making us behave, we generally don't.

Sad, isn't it?

Conservative Talking Point Hyperbole Go Go Go!!

You're sounding more and more like varus all the time.

Freedom is bull. You want freedom, go get lost in the Amazon. You wanna be an american then you choose to have all the rights and privileges that go along with it.

But you only want the privileges?

You chose the ease, the technology, the comfort, the standard of living, breathable air and drinkable water. Then you complain about the price?

You are classic stupid selfish americana.

My liberty to allow my lawn grow above eight inches has been taken away AT THE BARREL OF A GUN!!


Seriously, Moe? Seriously?? That's your example?

Come on... you're better than this.

Total bullsh;t.

When you can't argue a point, mock it. It's so much more amusing.

You'd prefer I do a WestLaw search for all of the tax evasion cases in the last decade where people are serving time? Sorry, they're all identical. They're not in prison because the weather's so nice.

Who's arguing? You agree that my right to let my lawn grow has been taken away AT THE BARREL OF A GUN, right?

Because that's a local law and those are enforceable. It would take a good while to wind its way through until I'm jailed for it* but it's definitely a potential possibility.


*Most likely jailed for contempt when I refuse to pay the fines after being taken to court for repeated unpaid tickets but I'm still ultimately being punished for not mowing my lawn.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 12:57pm by Jophiel

So you refuse to answer my question about my lawn?

Well, when you can't answer the question, you can always just avoid it. It's so much more amusing.